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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2018, 11:50:PM »
Watch it and listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYOaIDxirHE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJt6j5E1y_s

Where are the interviews previous this this one? - I have only listened to half of the first link and can't believe you don't think he's being manipulated!
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2018, 02:54:AM »
Where are the interviews previous this this one? - I have only listened to half of the first link and can't believe you don't think he's being manipulated!

After describing how he raped Teressa and helped Avery kill her.

Police: Why did you take part in it?

BD: I dunno

Police: I'm giving you an oportunity to tell us why you did this 

--long pause--

Police: Everyone has a reason for doing things. What was your reason for this?

BD: To see how it felt

Police: To see how what felt?

BD: Sex




This is not a coerced confession.
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"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2018, 08:33:AM »
After describing how he raped Teressa and helped Avery kill her.

Police: Why did you take part in it?

BD: I dunno

Police: I'm giving you an oportunity to tell us why you did this 

--long pause--

Police: Everyone has a reason for doing things. What was your reason for this?

BD: To see how it felt

Police: To see how what felt?

BD: Sex




This is not a coerced confession.

Yes it is coerced , you cannot pick and choose the odd phrase in isolation you need to see the whole thing and the fact they kept telling him he hadn’t told them everything . There was no evidence whatsoever that she was raped.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2018, 08:34:AM »
Watch it and listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYOaIDxirHE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJt6j5E1y_s

Read judge deffin’s judgement I’m on a train atm can’t find the link but I will do

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2018, 12:49:PM »
After describing how he raped Teressa and helped Avery kill her.

Police: Why did you take part in it?

BD: I dunno

Police: I'm giving you an oportunity to tell us why you did this 

--long pause--

Police: Everyone has a reason for doing things. What was your reason for this?

BD: To see how it felt

Police: To see how what felt?

BD: Sex




This is not a coerced confession.

Of course it is ........ also, you didn't post his initial interview - you need to hear the whole thing instead of cherry picking sections in isolation.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2018, 07:14:PM »
Of course it is ........ also, you didn't post his initial interview - you need to hear the whole thing instead of cherry picking sections in isolation.

If its a coerced confession then why did Brendan make up the rape? The investigators had no idea of a rape until Brendan flat out told them the details.  ::)

In his cross examination he denies having gone to his uncles and claims that he made it all up. When asked why he told the police there was blood in the garage he answered because it was the color red. Here he slips up big time because he is now saying he was at his uncles garage and saw the red stuff on the floor.  ::)

Q: You made that all up?
A: Yes.
Q: You just happened to know Teresa's words?
A: No.
Q: How do you know what she said?
A: I made it up.
A: You made it up?
A: Yes.
Q: You made up the part that you raped her?
A: Yes.
Q: You made up the part that she told you not to do it?
A: Yes.
Q: To do the right thing?
A: Yes.
Q: And to tell your uncle not to do it?
A: Yes.
Q: You made that up?
A: Yes.

Q: Now, Mr. Dassey, didn't you tell your mother in a phone call on May 13 that you had gone over to  your Uncle Steven's after school and  she came home?
A: Yes.
Q: You did?
A: Yes.
Q: And, again, on May 15, the first tape we played, she's asking you why you didn't tell her. Why didn't you?
A: Because it didn't happen.
Q: Why did you tell her you went over there, sir?
A: I don't know.
Q: You lied to your mother as well?
A: Yes
Q: You've heard Detective Wiegert testify on Friday and Saturday morning; right?
A: Yes.
Q: And he said he had no idea that there was a sexual assault?
A: Yes.
Q: You were the one who brought up the fact of a sexual assault; right?
A: Yes.
Q: You brought up the rape; right?
A: Yes.
Q: You went over to your uncle's cabin because you knew you were going to have sex; right?
A: No.
Q: Why did you tell the police that your Uncle Steven was proud of you for what you had done?
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you say that you sexually assaulted her
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you say you put your penis in her for five minutes?
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you tell the police that you thought it was blood in the garage?
A: Because it was the color of red.
Q: Because it was the color of red?
A: Yeah


LOL
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2018, 07:54:PM »
If its a coerced confession then why did Brendan make up the rape? The investigators had no idea of a rape until Brendan flat out told them the details.  ::)

In his cross examination he denies having gone to his uncles and claims that he made it all up. When asked why he told the police there was blood in the garage he answered because it was the color red. Here he slips up big time because he is now saying he was at his uncles garage and saw the red stuff on the floor.  ::)

Q: You made that all up?
A: Yes.
Q: You just happened to know Teresa's words?
A: No.
Q: How do you know what she said?
A: I made it up.
A: You made it up?
A: Yes.
Q: You made up the part that you raped her?
A: Yes.
Q: You made up the part that she told you not to do it?
A: Yes.
Q: To do the right thing?
A: Yes.
Q: And to tell your uncle not to do it?
A: Yes.
Q: You made that up?
A: Yes.

Q: Now, Mr. Dassey, didn't you tell your mother in a phone call on May 13 that you had gone over to  your Uncle Steven's after school and  she came home?
A: Yes.
Q: You did?
A: Yes.
Q: And, again, on May 15, the first tape we played, she's asking you why you didn't tell her. Why didn't you?
A: Because it didn't happen.
Q: Why did you tell her you went over there, sir?
A: I don't know.
Q: You lied to your mother as well?
A: Yes
Q: You've heard Detective Wiegert testify on Friday and Saturday morning; right?
A: Yes.
Q: And he said he had no idea that there was a sexual assault?
A: Yes.
Q: You were the one who brought up the fact of a sexual assault; right?
A: Yes.
Q: You brought up the rape; right?
A: Yes.
Q: You went over to your uncle's cabin because you knew you were going to have sex; right?
A: No.
Q: Why did you tell the police that your Uncle Steven was proud of you for what you had done?
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you say that you sexually assaulted her
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you say you put your penis in her for five minutes?
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you tell the police that you thought it was blood in the garage?
A: Because it was the color of red.
Q: Because it was the color of red?
A: Yeah


LOL

Was she raped?

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2018, 08:50:PM »
Was she raped?

Yes she was raped. I should also add that Brendan told his younger cousin Kayla about it long before he told the police. Kayla then told her school counsellors and that's how the police ended up questioning Brendan at the school in the first place.


Q: All right. Kayla is telling her counselors of a conversation she had with you. She's telling her counselors in January that she talked to you in December and that you had told her about body parts. How could that be?
A: I don't know.



Q: Directing your attention to January of 2006, early January, did you have occasion to have contact with a student by the name of Kayla Avery?
A: Yes.
Q: Urn, would you describe for us, urn, first and foremost, how that contact occurred?
A: Kayla came into the counseling office and asked to speak to a counselor.
Q: All right. And, urn, who was present when she came in and asked to speak with a counselor?
A: It was myself and Karen Baumgartner.
Q: Tell us what happened?
A: Kayla came in, urn, to the office, and, urn, she was asked by Ms. Baumgarner -- Ms. Baumgartner if she minded that I was there, and Kayla aid, no. And she said she was there because she Was feeling scared.
Q: All right. Let me stop you there, first, and ask who else, if anyone, was present for this conversation?
A: No one else.
Q: All right. So there's just the three of you?
A: Correct.
Q: All right. And did Kayla reveal to the two of you why she was feeling scared and why she wanted to talk?
A: Yes.
Q: And what did she tell you?
A: She told us that she was scared, urn, because her uncle, Steven Avery, had asked one of her cousins to help move a body.


Still watching this bullshit TV show? 
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2018, 09:07:PM »
Yes she was raped. I should also add that Brendan told his younger cousin Kayla about it long before he told the police. Kayla then told her school counsellors and that's how the police ended up questioning Brendan at the school in the first place.


Q: All right. Kayla is telling her counselors of a conversation she had with you. She's telling her counselors in January that she talked to you in December and that you had told her about body parts. How could that be?
A: I don't know.



Q: Directing your attention to January of 2006, early January, did you have occasion to have contact with a student by the name of Kayla Avery?
A: Yes.
Q: Urn, would you describe for us, urn, first and foremost, how that contact occurred?
A: Kayla came into the counseling office and asked to speak to a counselor.
Q: All right. And, urn, who was present when she came in and asked to speak with a counselor?
A: It was myself and Karen Baumgartner.
Q: Tell us what happened?
A: Kayla came in, urn, to the office, and, urn, she was asked by Ms. Baumgarner -- Ms. Baumgartner if she minded that I was there, and Kayla aid, no. And she said she was there because she Was feeling scared.
Q: All right. Let me stop you there, first, and ask who else, if anyone, was present for this conversation?
A: No one else.
Q: All right. So there's just the three of you?
A: Correct.
Q: All right. And did Kayla reveal to the two of you why she was feeling scared and why she wanted to talk?
A: Yes.
Q: And what did she tell you?
A: She told us that she was scared, urn, because her uncle, Steven Avery, had asked one of her cousins to help move a body.


Still watching this bullshit TV show?

How do you know she was raped?

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2018, 09:31:PM »
How do you know she was raped?

he doesnt because there was no evidence she was raped.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2018, 09:35:PM »
If its a coerced confession then why did Brendan make up the rape? The investigators had no idea of a rape until Brendan flat out told them the details.  ::)

In his cross examination he denies having gone to his uncles and claims that he made it all up. When asked why he told the police there was blood in the garage he answered because it was the color red. Here he slips up big time because he is now saying he was at his uncles garage and saw the red stuff on the floor.  ::)

Q: You made that all up?
A: Yes.
Q: You just happened to know Teresa's words?
A: No.
Q: How do you know what she said?
A: I made it up.
A: You made it up?
A: Yes.
Q: You made up the part that you raped her?
A: Yes.
Q: You made up the part that she told you not to do it?
A: Yes.
Q: To do the right thing?
A: Yes.
Q: And to tell your uncle not to do it?
A: Yes.
Q: You made that up?
A: Yes.

Q: Now, Mr. Dassey, didn't you tell your mother in a phone call on May 13 that you had gone over to  your Uncle Steven's after school and  she came home?
A: Yes.
Q: You did?
A: Yes.
Q: And, again, on May 15, the first tape we played, she's asking you why you didn't tell her. Why didn't you?
A: Because it didn't happen.
Q: Why did you tell her you went over there, sir?
A: I don't know.
Q: You lied to your mother as well?
A: Yes
Q: You've heard Detective Wiegert testify on Friday and Saturday morning; right?
A: Yes.
Q: And he said he had no idea that there was a sexual assault?
A: Yes.
Q: You were the one who brought up the fact of a sexual assault; right?
A: Yes.
Q: You brought up the rape; right?
A: Yes.
Q: You went over to your uncle's cabin because you knew you were going to have sex; right?
A: No.
Q: Why did you tell the police that your Uncle Steven was proud of you for what you had done?
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you say that you sexually assaulted her
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you say you put your penis in her for five minutes?
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you tell the police that you thought it was blood in the garage?
A: Because it was the color of red.
Q: Because it was the color of red?
A: Yeah


LOL

he was "guessing " what they wanted him to say just like he guessed what his teachers at school wanted him to say when he didnt know the answers, he was 16 , extremely low IQ and other disabilities , here is Duffin's judgement https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/read-judges-full-decision-making-a-murderer-brendan-dassey-conviction-overturned-390030681.html

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2018, 10:02:PM »
How do you know she was raped?


The perperators own admission of doing such. She was then killed to prevent her from reporting it to the police.


Come on you are not that stupid.

 


"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2018, 10:06:PM »

The perperators own admission of doing such. She was then killed to prevent her from reporting it to the police.


Come on you are not that stupid.

So you don't know she was raped. Thought not!

At this point David, I'm telling you to pack in the personal bullshit - it's what you always do when you get caught out and no, I'm not that stupid and certainly not that stupid to fall for you half baked misleading crap. You don't know she was raped - FACT!




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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2018, 10:08:PM »
he doesnt because there was no evidence she was raped.

Oh I was well aware that he didn't know  ;)

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2018, 10:09:PM »
he was "guessing " what they wanted him to say just like he guessed what his teachers at school wanted him to say when he didnt know the answers, he was 16 , extremely low IQ and other disabilities , here is Duffin's judgement https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/read-judges-full-decision-making-a-murderer-brendan-dassey-conviction-overturned-390030681.html

Agreed!