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Offline David1819

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #240 on: November 03, 2018, 07:52:PM »
Brendan dasseys confession was coerced. You want to sound competent in your opinions but you are so out of date it’s laughable.

I used to think you had a real good reasoning to this sort of thing now I just think you are deluded.


Everything in that list I made is stuff the police didnt and couldnt have given him in the first place. It would be a hell of coincidence if it was coerced.


Why did Brendan tell his mum that Steve was guilty and that he done some of it also? Was she coercing him also?


"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #241 on: November 03, 2018, 08:38:PM »

Everything in that list I made is stuff the police didnt and couldnt have given him in the first place. It would be a hell of coincidence if it was coerced.


Why did Brendan tell his mum that Steve was guilty and that he done some of it also? Was she coercing him also?

- The Pond - is there evidence to prove that it was ever an intention to use the pond?
- Bones being moved - Which statement is this in?
- The bleach and paint thinner in the garage - You would expect to find these items in a garage.
- The bleach on his jeans - I have bleach on some of my jeans, didn't kill anyone though.
- Murder weapon was averys .22 - It fired the bullet.
- Kayla Avery - Retracted her statement
- Shot to the left of the head - Which statement is this in?
- Avery opening the hood of the car - He was fed that info from the police
- Two phone calls to Jodi - And?
- Coversations of the two phones calls Avery tells Jodi that he has Brendan over helping him "clean up" - He doesn't say that Brendan helped him clean up, he said in one call that HE cleaned up and in a later one that Brendan had helped him, not what he helped him with.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #242 on: November 03, 2018, 09:26:PM »
"So we asked Kayla what she meant by
Brendan acting up lately. At that point Kayla
told us that Brendan would just stare into space
and start crying, basically, uncontrollably. She
also told us that Brendan had -- had lost
approximately, what she estimated to be, about 40
pounds."



People should be rallying against Steven Avery for ruining this kids life by dragging him into this terrible situation. But instead they all support Avery and expect Brendan to keep up this façade.


Brendan's uncle made him a murderer.
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #243 on: November 03, 2018, 09:42:PM »
"So we asked Kayla what she meant by
Brendan acting up lately. At that point Kayla
told us that Brendan would just stare into space
and start crying, basically, uncontrollably. She
also told us that Brendan had -- had lost
approximately, what she estimated to be, about 40
pounds."



People should be rallying against Steven Avery for ruining this kids life by dragging him into this terrible situation. But instead they all support Avery and expect Brendan to keep up this façade.


Brendan's uncle made him a murderer.

I don't think Brendan should be in prison -  that's the point.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #244 on: November 04, 2018, 07:58:AM »
Did bobby and Scott lie on the stand? Bobby brother has signed an affidavit confirming that bobby said it couldn’t have been Steven because I saw her leave.

Thousands upon thousands of porn including decapitaded bodies mutilated bodies drowned bodies and child porn on bobby dasssey computer. He denied computer was in his room but police photos confirm it was in his room. Denied looking at these images but forensic and investigators have confirmed only Bobby would have been home. Many of the pictures have uncanny resemblance to Teresa halbach

Brendan was coerced no question. Watch it

Kayla has recounted

Blood spatter doesn’t match prosecution theory as per world renound blood spatter experts

Josh radant has confirmed police tried to make him say fire was bigger than it was

Cannot burn a body in an open fire pit like prosecution theory, would have taken 100 plus gallons to keep fuelling fire etc etc as per world renound expert who has the most expertise in burning bodies in the world, but hey you want to believe Wisconsin

Not a single photo of bones and pit in situ

Coroner was threatened with arrest if she attends. Had to resign 6 months later as she feared for her life

Where are the rest of the bones

There would have been a sludge/ gooleft behind in burn pit, none

The whole investigation centred on Steven with proper investigation into anyone else

It’s bollocks, innocent or guilty he deserves a new trial




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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #245 on: November 04, 2018, 12:42:PM »
- The Pond - is there evidence to prove that it was ever an intention to use the pond?
- Bones being moved - Which statement is this in?
- The bleach and paint thinner in the garage - You would expect to find these items in a garage.
- The bleach on his jeans - I have bleach on some of my jeans, didn't kill anyone though.
- Murder weapon was averys .22 - It fired the bullet.
- Kayla Avery - Retracted her statement
- Shot to the left of the head - Which statement is this in?
- Avery opening the hood of the car - He was fed that info from the police
- Two phone calls to Jodi - And?
- Coversations of the two phones calls Avery tells Jodi that he has Brendan over helping him "clean up" - He doesn't say that Brendan helped him clean up, he said in one call that HE cleaned up and in a later one that Brendan had helped him, not what he helped him with.

The evidence regarding the pond comes from BD himself.
It fired "the bullet" ,.... it fired the bullet which was recovered from his garage which also had TH DNA on it.
I believe BD says it was the left side of the head. this supports the pathologist findings.
I agree he was fed that information regarding the hood/


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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #246 on: November 04, 2018, 12:48:PM »
Did bobby and Scott lie on the stand? Bobby brother has signed an affidavit confirming that bobby said it couldn’t have been Steven because I saw her leave.

Thousands upon thousands of porn including decapitaded bodies mutilated bodies drowned bodies and child porn on bobby dasssey computer. He denied computer was in his room but police photos confirm it was in his room. Denied looking at these images but forensic and investigators have confirmed only Bobby would have been home. Many of the pictures have uncanny resemblance to Teresa halbach

Brendan was coerced no question. Watch it

Kayla has recounted

Blood spatter doesn’t match prosecution theory as per world renound blood spatter experts

Josh radant has confirmed police tried to make him say fire was bigger than it was

Cannot burn a body in an open fire pit like prosecution theory, would have taken 100 plus gallons to keep fuelling fire etc etc as per world renound expert who has the most expertise in burning bodies in the world, but hey you want to believe Wisconsin

Not a single photo of bones and pit in situ

Coroner was threatened with arrest if she attends. Had to resign 6 months later as she feared for her life

Where are the rest of the bones

There would have been a sludge/ gooleft behind in burn pit, none

The whole investigation centred on Steven with proper investigation into anyone else

It’s bollocks, innocent or guilty he deserves a new trial

presumably the fire could have started in the burn pit and when they realised that the body was not going to be destroyed that way moved the body to the burn container/barrel which would have been able to burn the body effectively, this is where her camera and phone were found also.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #247 on: November 04, 2018, 12:59:PM »
Perhaps you should watch the police flyover video which should answer your question.

You have obvious used a current google map of the yard which doesn’t show the yard as it was then .

I've just watched the police video , wow! could they have made it any more shaky ! it's all over the place amaturish , anyway from what I could see that pond did not seem to be dry! if that is the case then it doesn't in fact corroborate what BD said. however that video is so bad who really knows ?

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #248 on: November 04, 2018, 03:33:PM »
The evidence regarding the pond comes from BD himself.
It fired "the bullet" ,.... it fired the bullet which was recovered from his garage which also had TH DNA on it.
I believe BD says it was the left side of the head. this supports the pathologist findings.
I agree he was fed that information regarding the hood/

Yes, I know but so did a lot of other things that didn’t turn out to be based on fact. I imagine he mentioned the pond (which isn’t big enough or deep enough to hide the RAV4 or her body), because the RAV was found close to it. There is no evidence that it was ever a plan. She may have been shot with said bullet or DNA could have been transferred. BD was coaxed into saying she was shot in the first place but when asked which side, he initially said he didn’t know. I can’t find the entry for him saying the left but will keep looking. Also is that particular interview videod? Wouldn’t  trust those two officers as far as .......
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #249 on: November 04, 2018, 05:13:PM »

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #250 on: November 04, 2018, 05:47:PM »
https://imgur.com/GXzYV8V

Yes, it's in the trial transcript that they had no evidence that Bleach and paint thinners were used in a clan up - Just Brendan's claim and some marks on his Jeans. However, they were hunters and regularly cleaned out deer. Brendan could easily have gotten bleach on his jeans after helping Bobby (or someone else) clean up.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #251 on: November 04, 2018, 05:54:PM »
The evidence regarding the pond comes from BD himself.
It fired "the bullet" ,.... it fired the bullet which was recovered from his garage which also had TH DNA on it.
I believe BD says it was the left side of the head. this supports the pathologist findings.
I agree he was fed that information regarding the hood/


He wasn't fed the info about the hood. Brendan already knew about it. How do we know this?

The investigators knew the killer had lifted up the hood because the power cables had been pulled from the battery in the car. Brendan was not going to bring up this minor detail without them reminding or prompting him. So Brendan then tells them his uncle lifted the hood.

Several month later DNA would confirm the killer who lifted the hood was Steven Avery. Just like Brendan said.
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #252 on: November 04, 2018, 06:11:PM »

He wasn't fed the info about the hood. Brendan already knew about it. How do we know this?

The investigators knew the killer had lifted up the hood because the power cables had been pulled from the battery in the car. Brendan was not going to bring up this minor detail without them reminding or prompting him. So Brendan then tells them his uncle lifted the hood.

Several month later DNA would confirm the killer who lifted the hood was Steven Avery. Just like Brendan said.


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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #253 on: November 04, 2018, 06:19:PM »

He wasn't fed the info about the hood. Brendan already knew about it. How do we know this?

The investigators knew the killer had lifted up the hood because the power cables had been pulled from the battery in the car. Brendan was not going to bring up this minor detail without them reminding or prompting him. So Brendan then tells them his uncle lifted the hood.

Several month later DNA would confirm the killer who lifted the hood was Steven Avery. Just like Brendan said.

You keep talking about DNA as though it's a magic substance that can't be planted. He was fed the information about the hood - it's been posted here, denying it won't make it go away.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #254 on: November 04, 2018, 06:26:PM »

I think you have developed an all consuming compulsion to disagree with me. Even if you knowingly have to disagree with yourself.



PS: Why do you have bleach on your clothes? Are you that dirty Ariel and Bold wont get the job done?




I don't think about you that much to adopt any kind of counter reasoning. I have my own mind, unlike you.

No, David, I clean things sometimes using bleach but you're such a moron you couldn't work that out. Grown ups clean things and yes! They use bleach!