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Offline mike tesko

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Nothing could be any clearer - there exist two completely different versions regarding where the bodies of the five victims of the white house shooting tragedy were found when firearm officers entered the farmhouse!

In one version (police messages), all the messages that were passed are timed and lgged, in the other version (witness statement) no times are given for the time each of the bodies were found!

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Nothing could be any clearer - there exist two completely different versions regarding where the bodies of the five victims of the white house shooting tragedy were found when firearm officers entered the farmhouse!

In one version (police messages), all the messages that were passed are timed and lgged, in the other version (witness statement) no times are given for the time each of the bodies were found!

Nobody but the police themselves are responsible for the existence of such a conflict...

In the original version of events, cops found two bodies downstairs in the kitchen, and three bodies found upstairs! Whereas in the later witness statement accounts, the police only have one body downstairs, and the other four bodies upstairs!
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Neither, Jeremy Bamber, nor his legal team, not any of his supporters, have introduced any of the contents contained in the specifically timed police radio messages - the police passed these messages and they recorded them in a typical police fashion. Timing of events or occurrences, is what good completing is all about, right?
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Neither, Jeremy Bamber, nor his legal team, not any of his supporters, have introduced any of the contents contained in the specifically timed police radio messages - the police passed these messages and they recorded them in a typical police fashion. Timing of events or occurrences, is what good completing is all about, right?

You know how the old saying goes:-

'If you want to know the time, ask a policeman's!
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'If you want to know the time, ask a policeman'!

However, if you live in Essex, you might not want to, because they don't appear to be able to tell the right time of day or night from one minute to the other!
« Last Edit: October 08, 2018, 10:48:AM by mike tesko »
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Why would the police say there were two bodies found downstairs, and only three bodies found upstairs, if it was not true?
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Why would the police say there were two bodies found downstairs, and only three bodies found upstairs, if it was not true?

Why would they say that there was the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry to the kitchen, (7.35am, 7.37am and 7.38am) if it wasn't true at these times? Why would they say these things and bother to record it all, if there had only been one dead male body found in the kitchen on and by these occasions?
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Why would they say that there was the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry to the kitchen, (7.35am, 7.37am and 7.38am) if it wasn't true at these times? Why would they say these things and bother to record it all, if there had only been one dead male body found in the kitchen on and by these occasions?

There are some amongst us, many in fact, who go along with the suggestion that the police made a mistake by initially describing that a womans body had been seen through a window prior to entry having been made to the premises, but which turned out to be the body of a dead male (Neville Bamber) once the police got into the kitchen of the farmhouse - but if this were true there would have been no need to pass any messages after police had got into the kitchen, and found the dead body of a male. But, no sooner do police enter the kitchen and first of all make mention that they had found the body of one dead male person, than they are including mention of a second body, using the term, 'and the body of one dead female'...

So, not one body found inside the kitchen, but two dead bodies, the body of a man and the body of a woman! The man's body mentioned at all times in these messages before there is any mention of a dead female body also being present there!
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There are some amongst us, many in fact, who go along with the suggestion that the police made a mistake by initially describing that a womans body had been seen through a window prior to entry having been made to the premises, but which turned out to be the body of a dead male (Neville Bamber) once the police got into the kitchen of the farmhouse - but if this were true there would have been no need to pass any messages after police had got into the kitchen, and found the dead body of a male. But, no sooner do police enter the kitchen and first of all make mention that they had found the body of one dead male person, than they are including mention of a second body, using the term, 'and the body of one dead female'...

So, not one body found inside the kitchen, but two dead bodies, the body of a man and the body of a woman! The man's body mentioned at all times in these messages before there is any mention of a dead female body also being present there!

What we know now, is that the events which were unfolding inside the kitchen (between 7.35am and 7.45am) was that the events were being monitored back at the control room in Chelmsford via the off the hook telephone in the kitchen, itself...

One of the timed police message logs, makes mention of hearing loud knocks, movement and voices!
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If this was supposed to be a covertly exercised operation, whereby firearm officers made a speedy entry into the farmhouse, intent on capturing its occupants by surprise, why are raised  voices heard to have been booming out, so loudly that they could be heard back in the control room through the telephone link which the operator had set up from 6.09am that morning, a link which did not get discontinued until 8.15am?
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If this was supposed to be a covertly exercised operation, whereby firearm officers made a speedy entry into the farmhouse, intent on capturing its occupants by surprise, why are raised  voices heard to have been booming out, so loudly that they could be heard back in the control room through the telephone link which the operator had set up from 6.09am that morning, a link which did not get discontinued until 8.15am?

The reason there were raised voices when the firearm officers entered the kitchen was because of them being confronted by Sheila Caffell who was hysterical!
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The houses, the movement and the raised voices were all part of the altercation between the police and Sheila in the kitchen - there was nobody else still alive in the farmhouse by that stage, so who else were the firearm officers shouting at?
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The houses, the movement and the raised voices were all part of the altercation between the police and Sheila in the kitchen - there was nobody else still alive in the farmhouse by that stage, so who else were the firearm officers shouting at?

I do not consider myself to be do foolish that I could ignore the implications of the contents of key police radio message contents accompanied by timings!


Additionally, it's recorded that 'VIOCES' could be heard, not a voice - so that's a minimum of two or more persons all raising their voices at such a crucial stage of the police operation!

One of those voices was Sheila Caffell's!
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The entire 'eavesdrop' of the telephone link between white house farm and the control room at Chelmsford police station between 6.09am and 8.15am was recorded on audio via the '999' emergency system set up by the operator! That audio recording has not been destroyed, and is currently being held at Southend on Sea police station!
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The entire 'eavesdrop' of the telephone link between white house farm and the control room at Chelmsford police station between 6.09am and 8.15am was recorded on audio via the '999' emergency system set up by the operator! That audio recording has not been destroyed, and is currently being held at Southend on Sea police station!

It is held there, along with the 3.26am and the 3.36am audio recordings of Neville Bambers call, and Jeremy Bambers call to the police, as part of the telecommunications act warrant that was issued in connection with the national and international drugs operation around Jeremy Bamber and his associates, in London, Scotland, Essex, Amsterdam and Belgium, retained under pii rules...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...