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Offline IndigoJ

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2018, 03:41:PM »
was any of NB's blood found upstairs?


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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2018, 03:44:PM »
Do you believe that is the most likely scenario ?

Why do you believe Nevill would phone Jeremy after Sheila started shooting the twins ?

 a phone call was made from the house, so who made it? if you think JB is the killer he could have made it but then he would have needed an accomplice to pick up the call at his cottage, and there is no evidence he had an accomplice.  NB could have started the call and then SB could have started killing the twins , I don't believe he would have called AFTER she started killing the twins that is if NB had been aware she was killing the twins it would be more likely he would have called 999

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2018, 03:52:PM »
a phone call was made from the house, so who made it? if you think JB is the killer he could have made it but then he would have needed an accomplice to pick up the call at his cottage, and there is no evidence he had an accomplice.  NB could have started the call and then SB could have started killing the twins , I don't believe he would have called AFTER she started killing the twins that is if NB had been aware she was killing the twins it would be more likely he would have called 999

Why would he need someone to pick it up ? There were no phone records stating how long a call lasted in 1985.
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2018, 03:57:PM »
Why would he need someone to pick it up ? There were no phone records stating how long a call lasted in 1985.

didn't the records show whether the call had been answered or not?

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2018, 03:59:PM »
Why would he need someone to pick it up ? There were no phone records stating how long a call lasted in 1985.

how did they used to bill for calls then?

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2018, 04:21:PM »
how did they used to bill for calls then?

I think some members came to the conclusion several years ago that for international calls there would be a time shown on the bill but not for local calls. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,549.0.html

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2018, 04:27:PM »
So, the telephone that NB used was the one in the kitchen which was found off the hook , right? the argument put forward by the prosecution was that as NB had been shot upstairs he couldn't have made the call because of his wounds he wouldnt have been able to speak plus there was no blood on the receiver. Well, who says he didn't make the call BEFORE he went back upstairs and was shot?


thoughts?

You see again this is why many members have changed stance, jumping through a succession of hoops in order to make Jeremy innocent: Nevill reached a telephone and managed to call Police, who concealed the call from their boss DCI Jones, Nevill called Jeremy, who just happened to pick up the telephone immediately so there was no record on his answerphone, Sheila cut off the call downstairs meaning Jeremy couldn't communicate with the Farm thereafter, Julie's statements were all a pack of lies, Police shot Sheila twice.


I could go on..

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2018, 08:26:AM »
how did they used to bill for calls then?

Believe it was fixed charges. Certainly not itemised billing showing a call had been made which was answered & lasted 2 minutes 5 seconds.
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2018, 12:27:PM »
Believe it was fixed charges. Certainly not itemised billing showing a call had been made which was answered & lasted 2 minutes 5 seconds.

Incoming calls were not billed to the Bambers, unless the operator contacted them and asked them if they agreed to call charges being reversed. Outgoing calls were calculated using a metering facility which racked up units at the local exchange. Bills were calculated dependant upon how many units were used, during fixed prime time and cheap rate periods during the day time, evenings and week-end.

I found out from a retired BT engineer, that it would have been possible to break down all the individual calls which had been made from white house farm, by carrying out work at the local exchange using specialised equipment but it seems that if Essex police went to such trouble, that for one reason or another if they did, then they have not disclosed that information!

I believe that Essex police did go to the trouble of trying to establish whether or not a call was made from white house farm to Jeremy's cottage by checking the equipment at the local exchange, and got it confirmed that such a call did take place, which was why they seized Jeremy's answer phone and five audio tapes. But, this was considered irrelevant for disclosure purposes because of the fact that the telephones at the scene and Jeremy's cottage were subject of an eavesdrop under the telecommunications act warrant as part of an ongoing drugs squad operation!. Essex police know that Neville Bamber had made that call to Jeremy, and that this call was followed by Neville's 3.26am call to the police - they knew this because of the ongoing surveillance that was already underway from prior to the time of the shooting tragedies, and afterwards..
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2018, 01:13:PM »
You see again this is why many members have changed stance, jumping through a succession of hoops in order to make Jeremy innocent: Nevill reached a telephone and managed to call Police, yes, he did..who concealed the call from their boss DCI Jones, there's no evidence that Neville's calls to Jeremy, followed by his call to police had been kept from DCI Jones. DI Soane's who was running the surveillance on Jeremy and his drug acquaintances had all this information at his fingertips, and almost certainly contacted, or was in contact with DCI Jones regarding these matters.. Nevill called Jeremy, who just happened to pick up the telephone immediately so there was no record on his answerphone, there's nothing suspicious in the fact that Jeremy answered Neville's call before the answer phone machine became activated, since the calls to and from white house farm, and Jeremy's cottage were already being monitored as part of a nationwide and international drugs operation being conducted by DI Soane's and the drugs squad from Southend on Sea police station..Sheila cut off the call downstairs meaning Jeremy couldn't communicate with the Farm thereafter, no, Neville cut the call short himself, then obtained a fresh dialling tone and he phoned the police at 3.26am.. Julie's statements were all a pack of lies, much of what was put in her statements was written by DS Jones, who knew what needed to be said so that the police could prosecute Jeremy for the murders, including Sheila's murder which the police themselves were responsible for doing! It can be said that they murdered her because of the way the police themselves have tried to conceal their involvement in different parts of the farmhouse with Sheila, and tampering with the crime scene ammunition used to shoot her with, so that they could dishonestly treat her death as a one gun crime! A silencer was also dishonestly introduced into the fray, which served to point the finger of suspicion away from their own involvement in Sheila's death...Police shot Sheila twice. well, she certainly didn't shoot herself downstairs in the kitchen with the rifle which she is supposed to have been shot by, because when cops said she was dead in the kitchen, that rifle was still resting against the inside of the box room window. If Sheila wasn't shot downstairs in the kitchen during or just prior to her body being confirmed as being present there in the kitchen between 7.35am and 8.10am, what other method had been used to kill her by that stage? Police records have Sheila's body on the floor in the Laundry room (7.30am), they had her body in the kitchen next door (7.35am - 8.10am), they had her body on the far side of the bed (8.44am), they had her body laid on top of the bed (9.05am), and by 9.30pm her body ends up on the main bedroom floor...

I could go on..Why not then, because everyone needs to know what actually happened once firearm officers entered the farmhouse, and later on when the police themselves staged Sheila's death as a suicide on the main bedroom floor, using a rifle which had been resting against the inside of a first floor window since before the police entered the premises! The rifle wasn't with Sheila's body when Collins and Delgado peered in through the Laundry room window at about 7.30am! The rifle wasn't in the kitchen when she was reportedly dead there (between 7.35am and 8.10am). The rifle that they staged her death scene with was subsequently brought from the window in the box room next door into the main bedroom and ended up alongside her body by 8.44am, it ended up resting on the bed in-between the bodies of Sheila and June by 9.05am. it ended up leaning against the inside of the main bedroom window, and eventually ended upon Sheila's chest sometime after 9.30am, because the Coroner's Officer who viewed Sheila's body at that time states that she had two bullet entry wounds to her neck, but that the rifle had already been removed from her body by that stage! 

We now discover, that blood from all the other four victims was found to be present on Sheila Caffell's light blue nightdress by 6th September 1985, but that non of this evidence was mentioned in any witness statement by the Lab' experts, or spoken about when they testified during the trial - it's as though such key evidence has been deliberately concealed from the people who needed to know. I am one hundred percent certain that had this evidence been given to the jury that they would have found Jeremy Bamber ' not guilty'...
« Last Edit: October 07, 2018, 02:43:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2018, 02:46:PM »
Nobody has disproven that Neville Bamber made that call to Jeremy, in the same way that nobody has disproved that the call made to police at 3.26am was made by Neville Bamber...
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2018, 04:43:PM »
was any of NB's blood found upstairs?


Some in the hallway
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2018, 04:47:PM »
the hallway being downstairs?

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2018, 04:50:PM »
the hallway being downstairs?

No upstairs
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"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2018, 06:47:PM »

Some in the hallway

'O' type blood found on wallpaper, doesn't mean it was Neville Bambers blood, as both child victims also had 'O' type blood..
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