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Offline IndigoJ

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The telephone off the hook
« on: October 05, 2018, 11:58:AM »
So, the telephone that NB used was the one in the kitchen which was found off the hook , right? the argument put forward by the prosecution was that as NB had been shot upstairs he couldn't have made the call because of his wounds he wouldnt have been able to speak plus there was no blood on the receiver. Well, who says he didn't make the call BEFORE he went back upstairs and was shot?


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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 12:42:PM »
So, the telephone that NB used was the one in the kitchen which was found off the hook , right? the argument put forward by the prosecution was that as NB had been shot upstairs he couldn't have made the call because of his wounds he wouldnt have been able to speak plus there was no blood on the receiver. Well, who says he didn't make the call BEFORE he went back upstairs and was shot?


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Those who claim Nevill was shot in bed.


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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 03:13:PM »
Those who claim Nevill was shot in bed.


However this claim has many problems. Bloodstains and shell casings do do not support this notion.
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2018, 07:23:PM »
It's not certain that it was the round finger dial telephone which had its handset off the hook from 3.42am, until 3.55am, and that it was this same phone which became mysteriously engaged from 5.55am until 6.09am when the operator patched the engaged line from white house farm to the control room at Chelmsford police station via the '999' emergency system, allowing for constant monitoring of noises, movement, and voices right up until 8.15am, when the connection was terminated! My understanding of what took place at 5.55am inside the farmhouse, was that one of two things happened, (1) somebody who was still alive inside the farmhouse, simply unplugged the lead from its socket, so that there wasn't effectively a phone off the hook any further from that point on, and that the 2nd phone was used to request an ambulance using the '999' system, or that (2) somebody inside the farmhouse at 5.55am used the 2nd phone to try and request an ambulance, but because the handset of the first phone was still off the hook, the two phones acted like an intercom, which effectively meant that when the line was rechecked at 5.55am, the operator no longer had a phone off the hook back at the farmhouse, she got an engaged tone due to the fact that both handsets were off the hook, and the two telephones acted like an intercom!

For this to have happened, someone had to still have been alive inside the farmhouse at 5.55am...

This is a significant discovery because it lends support for the firearm officers being engaged in conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse, at 5.25am...
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 07:40:PM »
Furthermore, what also becomes increasingly likely, was that at around 6.09am when the operator patched the engaged line (the intercom connection between the two telephones in use inside the farmhouse) from white House Farm to the control room at Chelmsford Police Station, that the handset of at least one of the two telephones back at the scene, must have been either (a) replaced back upon its reciever, or (b) unplugged at its socket leaving (c) one of the handsets still off the hook throughout the period 6.09am until 8.15am...
« Last Edit: October 05, 2018, 07:43:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2018, 08:08:PM »
It it is somewhat remarkable that these events which were unfolding at White House Farm between 5.25am, 5.55am, and 6.09am, should all be earmarked as occasions involving at least one living person inside the farmhouse, and that in a news paper article, published in the Daily Express, and penned by Kim Sengupta, should lose the following observation - 'Who was the scruffy looking hunched man, seen walking away from the farmhouse about an hour after the police first arrived at the scene'?
« Last Edit: October 05, 2018, 08:08:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2018, 08:10:PM »
'Who was the scruffy looking hunched man, seen walking away from the farmhouse about an hour after the police first arrived at the scene'?

Was this a reference to the uniformed officers arriving at the scene (3.48am), or to the arrival at the scene of the first group of firearm officers under the Command of PS Adams, at 5.00am?
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2018, 08:18:PM »
Seems to me, that after the cops changed the nature of their investigation into this shooting tragedy, that they believed there had been an accomplice of Jeremy Bambers, and possibly, Sheila Caffell's, too...

Since, although the police are reluctant to have to admit that they shot Sheila and killed her in a somewhat set of bizzarre circumstances, they know that Sheila had been alive inside the farmhouse throughout the entire duration of the seige...

Cops needed a name they could put to the accomplice, the person who might have been manipulating the two telephones inside the premises at around 5.55am and 6.09am (about an hour after the arrival at the scene of the first group of firearm officers), had the accomplice slipped the net, and simply walked away from the incident? Was the hit man, or the accomplice, the scruffy looking hunched man seen walking away from the farmhouse after 6.09am?

Who saw him?
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2018, 02:37:AM »
Mathew MacDonald and Freddie Emani, were two such suspects..
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2018, 03:20:AM »
Mathew MacDonald and Freddie Emani, were two such suspects..

Freddie Emani was involved in the drugs scene, and brought from London to Essex to be interviewed under caution!
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2018, 10:34:AM »
So, the telephone that NB used was the one in the kitchen which was found off the hook , right? the argument put forward by the prosecution was that as NB had been shot upstairs he couldn't have made the call because of his wounds he wouldnt have been able to speak plus there was no blood on the receiver. Well, who says he didn't make the call BEFORE he went back upstairs and was shot?


thoughts?

Some supporters have theories on when Nevill made his 2/4 second 8/11 word phone call. Others refuse to speculate.

David believes Nevill phoned Bamber after Sheila started shooting the twins. While others believe Sheila held Nevill at rifle point & made Nevill make the phone call.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2018, 10:51:AM by Adam »
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2018, 01:30:PM »
Some supporters have theories on when Nevill made his 2/4 second 8/11 word phone call. Others refuse to speculate.

David believes Nevill phoned Bamber after Sheila started shooting the twins. While others believe Sheila held Nevill at rifle point & made Nevill make the phone call.

If one believes Jeremy is innocent one has to believe that NB made the call before he was shot , so imo the view that NB was making the call while SB was shooting the twins fits that scenario

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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2018, 02:08:PM »
If one believes Jeremy is innocent one has to believe that NB made the call before he was shot , so imo the view that NB was making the call while SB was shooting the twins fits that scenario

Do you believe that is the most likely scenario ?

Why do you believe Nevill would phone Jeremy after Sheila started shooting the twins ?
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2018, 03:30:PM »
You shouldn’t rely on the alleged locations where four spent cartridge cases were claimed to have been found inside the main bedroom, these being those referred to by the exhibit references, DRH/4, DRH/3, DRH/2 And DRH/1, which were introduced into the master bedroom crime scene on the instruction of Police Inspector Miller, who instructed that the original exhibits bearing those exhibit references should be allocated different exhibit references to vacate DRH/4, DRH/3, DRH/2 and DRH/1 so that four spent cartridge cases could be introduced into the master bedroom crime scene..

Of course, there will be those amongst you who choose not to believe that this is what took place, but this sleight of hand manoeuvre is documented in Police Inspector Millers own handwriting, and rather astonishingly he is instructing DC Hammersley to introduce the alterations in his witness statement..

So, there you have it..

Four spent cartridge cases added to the master bedroom crime scene...

DRH/1 And DRH/2 being the two spent cartridge cases closest to where the cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene as a suicide on the main bedroom floor, and the other two  introduced spent cartridge cases (DRH/3 And DRH/4) attributed as being associated with the shooting twice of Neville Bambers inside the master bedroom...

For a start, Sheila was only shot once upstairs in the master bedroom, she was initially shot downstairs in the kitchen, and so one of the two bullet cases which were introduced as having been found close to her body, was a third cartridge case introduced into the main bedroom purporting to show that Neville Bambers had been shot at three times when he was present in the main bedroom, and a fourth non fatal shot as her fled down the main stairs pursued by his eventual killer..

Three of the four introduced spent cartridge cases which have been dishonestly included as having been found in the master bedroom were designed to impact upon the suggestion that Neville Bambers had been shot twice, once in the mouth, and a second shot to his jaw which would have prevented him being able to talk to anyone on the telephone before he had even got downstairs...

There exists clear evidence that Police Inspector Miller And DC Hammersley conspired to pervert the course of justice when they introduced the four spent bullet cases into the main bedroom crime scene, which had not originally been present there, or found there..
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Re: The telephone off the hook
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2018, 03:36:PM »
You cannot trust Essex Police to do anything properly, they tampered with all aspects of exhibits to frame Jeremy Bamber for all five deaths, when they knew that Sheila must have killed the other four, and of course the cops shot Sheila in somewhat truly bizarre circumstances, once downstairs in the kitchen, and on a second occasion upstairs on the master bedroom floor, after her body had been lifted off the bed and placed there on the bedroom floor..
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