Author Topic: 'Fatal Vision' which Freaked Out Jeremy Catalyst for Mugford' to get revenge!  (Read 473 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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After a long hard consideration of Julie Mugford's evidence, it becomes clear that she was more involved in the drugs scene than she has Made out, not only helping Jeremy to cultivate plants, and selling it at college, but she took part in smuggling drugs through Customs! In addition she was a fraudster and a burglar. She claims that she was not money orientated, but the £25,000 News of the World payout for her story if she helped to convict Jeremy Bamber of the murders was grabbed eagerly with both hands...
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Julie was a woman scorned'!
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Julie was a woman scorned'!

She states that she couldn't go to police during the first month because Jeremy had told her that she was an accomplice and would receive the same punishment as him! She didn't like it that Jeremy had got such a hold over her!
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But what Julie Mugford' does not say, is that Jeremy was only talking about her involvement along with him in the burgalry at Osea Road Camp site Office, the drug cultivating, the drug dealing, the drug smuggling through Customs and the cheque book frauds they had been involved in together!
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What becomes clear from reading her previously missing 10 September 1985 statement consisting of 24 handwritten pages, was that at a time when she knew she was trapped as an accomplice of Jeremy's she found out that the screening of 'Fatal Vision' on the TV freaked Jeremy out, and this caused her to study the murder case involving a man by the name of Macdonald who got convicted of killing his wife and children, and who had spent nine years incarcerated before being cleared! Mugford' must have realised how easy it was to get the police to believe what somebody might be capable of saying, and get someone convicted and sentenced, and that she took the opportunity to turn the cards on Jeremy by falsely claiming that he had been planning to murder his family for the previous 12 months or so, and that he had hired a hit man to murder his family for a fee of £2000...
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What becomes clear from reading her previously missing 10 September 1985 statement consisting of 24 handwritten pages, was that at a time when she knew she was trapped as an accomplice of Jeremy's she found out that the screening of 'Fatal Vision' on the TV freaked Jeremy out, and this caused her to study the murder case involving a man by the name of Macdonald who got convicted of killing his wife and children, and who had spent nine years incarcerated before being cleared! Mugford' must have realised how easy it was to get the police to believe what somebody might be capable of saying, and get someone convicted and sentenced, and that she took the opportunity to turn the cards on Jeremy by falsely claiming that he had been planning to murder his family for the previous 12 months or so, and that he had hired a hit man to murder his family for a fee of £2000...

I do not think it is a mere coincidence, that she introduced Mathew MacDonald as the hired assassin in her script - she got the idea from 'Fatal Vision'..
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I do not think it is a mere coincidence, that she introduced Mathew MacDonald as the hired assassin in her script - she got the idea from 'Fatal Vision'..

I guess in her warped state of mind, she must have been trying to see if she could get Mathew MacDonald arrested and convicted of the whf murders, replicating what had happened in the film. But, Mathew MacDonald had an air tight alibi and had to be released! Once Mugford' realized that/this she introduced the point about Jeremy arranging for Mathew MacDonald to commit the actual murders, so that Jeremy would become a suspect as well!
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However...

Jeremy was released on bail a couple of days later and only charged with burgalry at Osea Road Caravan Park offices...
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Mugford's script did not involve the hitman Mathew MacDonald using a silencer on the guns barrel when he shot everyone including Sheila Caffell, or that after Sheila had been shot that her killer had removed the silencer from the gun, before staging her death scene as a suicide and taking the silencer all the way Downstairs to conceal 'it' inside an ammunition box, inside a cupboard under the stairs in the downstairs office known as the den...

Also..

Mugford' knew nothing about scratch marks being present on the kitchen mantelpiece at whf which to all intents and purposes only materialised there after the dates Mugford' made her statements!

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She had morbid thoughts like wanting to touch the dead bodies!
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From memory the guy in Fatal Vision was soon back in jail and is still there today , he was guilty.

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From memory the guy in Fatal Vision was soon back in jail and is still there today , he was guilty.

I haven't seen the film yet, or the series, but I intend to watch it on You Tube during the next week or so!

All I'm saying, is that the program was televised at about the time Julie Mugford' came forward, and I think it left a mark upon her which motivated her to get her revenge on Jeremy, who had demonstrated to her, that he had a hold over her, insofar as her involvement along with Jeremy in the drugs, fraud and burgalry businesses!
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You should watch it  , its a very good programme and an even better book.

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You should watch it  , its a very good programme and an even better book.

I started watching some of 'it' last night, and the gist is that Dr Jeffrey MacDonald was originally convicted of murdering his wife and two young children in a somewhat bizzarre set of circumstances! All the victims were stabbed to death, including MacDonald who turned out to be the only survivor! His wife and children were all stabbed in frenzied attacks whilst apparently all sleeping. MacDonald was sleeping on the sofa and awoke to the cries of his wife and children being attacked by three men. He was also slashed or stabbed in the same incident, before the attackers fled. There was also a mysterious woman present who appeared to have blond hair and wore a hat. MacDonald phoned for help claiming that his family had all been stabbed, etc...

The attacks happenned at around 3.00am, and rather bizzarrely the alarm was raised by telephone at 3.42am a call that was received by the operator at that time - these times strangely enough hold some significance in the whf case, for example, after Jeremy Bamber had telephoned the police at 3.36am, the police asked the operator to check the telephone line at the farmhouse at 3.42am, and found that the the phones handset was off the hook...

The crime scene in the MacDonald case was not properly examined, with the authorities quickly jumping to the conclusion that the husband/father had killed his family and staged the crime scene as though the family had been attacked by other people!

The investigation had a drugs connection, albeit this involved Dr MacDonalds refusal to prescribe medication to war veterans who were traumatised with battle fatigue and or PTSD, etc..

I will return to the rest of the film/documentary probably later on tonight!
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It's an interesting case for sure, the blood and fibre evidence was pretty damning at trial against Mcdonald,  I am of the opinion he is guilty , his story of intruders does not add up imo

I'm reading the Carol Ann Lee book and at page 272 she says it was Jeremy who had mentioned to Julie after the murders that he had seen Fatal Vision