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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2018, 04:59:PM »
Aside from the 999 call, there's the curious report by the paramedics who arrived on the scene that, when they cut Mrs E's clothing to administer the defibrillator, the son opened the door and said, "Do you think you should be doing that? This is a crime scene." To which, one of the paramedics replied, "We have to check if there's a heartbeat."

Again, if you've found your mother in a pool of blood and the paramedics are attaching pads to her body that you recognise as belonging to a machine that may re-start her heart if it's stopped, would you try to stop them?

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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2018, 05:09:PM »
in the call he doesnt mention checking his mums pulse so if he dident how the bloody does he know shes dead.

and also how deos he know the couse of death how does he know sh hasnt had some sort of acedent.

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2018, 06:00:PM »
Aside from the 999 call, there's the curious report by the paramedics who arrived on the scene that, when they cut Mrs E's clothing to administer the defibrillator, the son opened the door and said, "Do you think you should be doing that? This is a crime scene." To which, one of the paramedics replied, "We have to check if there's a heartbeat."

Again, if you've found your mother in a pool of blood and the paramedics are attaching pads to her body that you recognise as belonging to a machine that may re-start her heart if it's stopped, would you try to stop them?

he seems to know its a crime scene before anybody else does.

normally its the police that decide weather its a crime scene or not.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2018, 10:08:AM »
Just one minute and 16 seconds in, before Ian's checked for a pulse, the son says "I've found my mother's body lying there". Not his mother, his mother's body - how did he know, within just over a minute, that she was dead and he was looking at a body?

He said in a statement that there was a "large, pinkish" injury on the back of her head that "looked like" something had hit her very hard there.

But, by all of his and Ian Wrightson's accounts, he didn't go near his mother - he pushed through the kitchen door (his mother was obstructing it slightly) and made straight for the dining room to get the phone (even though he had a mobile in his pocket). But Ian had already found the phone, dialled 999 and handed it to the son who walked to the opposite end of the kitchen to speak with the operator- it was Ian who checked for temperature and pulse.

He also commented on the fact that the waistband of his mother's trousers had been pulled slightly down - he said, "They must have been pulled when she was struggling to get away and the attacker was holding onto her." According to the pathologist, there was no evidence of a struggle - food found in the victim's windpipe suggests she was struck completely by surprise whilst eating her lunch.


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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2018, 09:56:PM »
I think the Defence is clutching at straws here.

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2018, 10:08:PM »
I think the Defence is clutching at straws here.

untill somthing else turns up you have to clutch at somthing.

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 12:07:PM »
was the suns behavior mentioned in the origenal trail.


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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2019, 11:29:AM »
was the suns behavior mentioned in the origenal trail.

Not in any sort of detail - certainly not about considering taking photographs of the body or the 999 call or climbing in the window rather than waiting for Ian - he wasn't even asked why he didn't wait the couple of minutes for Ian to get there.

His whole account of the evening was taken at face value at the first trial - he didn't tell the jury that Ian was coming with a key, for example, just that Ian was also coming to the cottage. Also, his wife didn't give evidence at the first trial, so the jury didn't hear about the sudden urge to go food shopping within 2 hours of learning of her mother-in-law's murder, right there in the grounds of the family home.

I thought about that just recently - an isolated estate, surrounded by fields and woods and some maniac has broken in and beaten an old lady to death just 100 yards away - I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be going out, alone, in the pitch darkness, for anything - what if he was still skulking around in the woods or something? How could anyone have known he wasn't still somewhere in the vicinity?

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2019, 02:27:PM »
Not in any sort of detail - certainly not about considering taking photographs of the body or the 999 call or climbing in the window rather than waiting for Ian - he wasn't even asked why he didn't wait the couple of minutes for Ian to get there.

His whole account of the evening was taken at face value at the first trial - he didn't tell the jury that Ian was coming with a key, for example, just that Ian was also coming to the cottage. Also, his wife didn't give evidence at the first trial, so the jury didn't hear about the sudden urge to go food shopping within 2 hours of learning of her mother-in-law's murder, right there in the grounds of the family home.

I thought about that just recently - an isolated estate, surrounded by fields and woods and some maniac has broken in and beaten an old lady to death just 100 yards away - I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be going out, alone, in the pitch darkness, for anything - what if he was still skulking around in the woods or something? How could anyone have known he wasn't still somewhere in the vicinity?

well then that is grounds for appeal the jury were not properly infrmed.

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2019, 01:50:AM »
i heard somone say she had been hit with a rolling pin 3 times but on crimewtch they said 3 times

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2019, 02:04:AM »
isn't rather strnge tat the killer took the card but made no attempt to find her pin number and why would they give up after the firt go if the killing wa abot money.

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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2019, 07:50:AM »
isn't rather strnge tat the killer took the card but made no attempt to find her pin number and why would they give up after the firt go if the killing wa abot money.
Maybe she wouldn't divulge the number. We just don't know.