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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2018, 08:47:PM »
https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com/
I've listened to the above podcasts and whilst I respect Sandra Lean and acknowledge the meticulous research which must have gone into this case I still probably would have convicted him on the DNA evidence provided by the Prosecution. The way they and Police behaved though reprehensible at times doesn't shock me in 2018, though the lack of an outright denial of whether he had sex with the victim I'm afraid does. I can't see any substantive link between this case and Stephen Farrow, who knew his victim and took valuables from the scene, whereas Georgina Edmonds had her jewellery and money left intact.  https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/?ref=ar

I think what Sandra might be alleging is that the son had some involvement in the murder, though again I don't know what evidence is out there apart from his strange behaviour at the scene and his sister possibly doubting the Police's version of events.
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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 12:39:PM »
One of the biggest problems with our justice system at the minute is the way DNA evidence is being misused to convince juries - the fact that there is a Select Committee gathering evidence about the failings of forensic evidence as it's used in our courts demonstrates the extent of the problem.

The claim that Matthew Hamlen "could not say 100% that he did not have sex with the victim" was the result of police manipulation (the nature of police interrogations is designed to elicit specific answers, not necessarily the truth).

Matthew could not remember where he was on the day the murder happened (it was two years earlier). The interrogating officers kept insisting that he couldn't be sure of anything if he couldn't remember the day (which, of course, is true of all of us). From there, they then suggested he "could not be sure" he didn't have sex with the victim. Matthew replied that he was "as sure as it was possible to be" that he had never had sex with an old lady - any old lady - ever. The police then introduced the subject of percentages of certainty. By then, there was no way Matthew could say 100%, because they had already made it clear they would not accept absolute certainty about anything, on the basis that Matthew could not remember the day.

What makes all of this so much worse is that there was no suggestion, or evidence, that Mrs Edmonds was sexually assaulted - there was no evidence of sexual activity whatsoever.

The DNA used to convict Matthew was so-called "touch DNA" - the big problem with this is that items of Matthew's were transported in the same bag as items from Mrs Edmonds (including the blouse on which the DNA was "found"). The slide from which the DNA was extracted was in a bag that had been slit and re-sealed by an unknown person at an unknown time and had been removed from secure storage for 5 days - there is no record of where it was during those 5 days. The DNA that was finally used to convict wasn't "found" until 6 years after the murder. The possibility of contamination is enormous.

The suspicion must remain that Hamlen thought Police could place him at the scene and was hedging his bets to cover himself against a murder charge.  There was surely no reason to pick up a rolling pin had he been on the premises with the intention of a quick entrance and exit for burglary. We are told in the Sun newspaper of 20 March 2017 that Hamlem had a history of domestic violence and cocaine use. It seems strange that DNA was found both on the rolling pin and on the blouse. As far as forensic examination was concerned there's always the possibility of contamination, but the exhibits were placed in sealed plastic bags even if the outer bag had been slit.


An alternative explanation is that another suspect (in the Crimewatch video) was stalking the house and committed the murder, with Hamlen the same day entering the premises to steal her handbag and mobile telephone. It's stated that there was a hostel for offenders in close proximity to the Kingfisher Lodge. It's not clear who ATM man is and I wasn't clear how the Defence worked out his height. The video wasn't shown at the first trial.

Sandra did you say the Crimewatch video was inaccurate? I understand you're not implicating the son, and I learned from the Russ Faria case that it's best not to judge how individuals react to a particular stressful situation. https://youtu.be/5luEqyXgAe0
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 03:26:PM »
I didn't think Hamlen was ATM man on first inspection. But I might have thought if your life was at stake you would piece together your movements for an alibi even if it was two years previously. The Defence can always raise the contamination issue with DNA (they did it with Barry George) but I still don't see how there were two traces of his DNA in the house on the rolling pin and the blouse respectively. https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/9431961.Statistics_expert_gives_evidence_to_Georgina_Edmonds_murder_trial/
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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2018, 03:50:PM »
ive ot a video speaking somwhere  ill pot you judge from his own story.

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2018, 05:03:PM »
There were not two traces of his DNA "in the house" - the DNA on the rolling pin was not proven to have originated from Matthew - the mixed profile contained markers that are not present in his DNA profile. There's also nothing to say the DNA on the blouse got there "in the house," as explained previously.

I don't think it's reasonable to imagine anyone could piece together an explanation of where they were and what they were doing at a specific time on a specific day two years previously. Even though I keep diaries -  have done since 1996 - looking back even just six months, there are days missing and, on the days there are entries, there's nothing to indicate the times I did specific things.

Can anyone reading this forum say, categorically, what they were doing at 16.07 on September 23rd 2016 and how would they find out, if they can't remember?
Well he was an electrician so he must have had appointments for that day. If my life depended on it I would make it my business to find out. I suppose as far as the DNA evidence is concerned it's put before a jury and they decide.

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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 07:28:PM »
have you seen the interviews with her son ive never seen anyone look more shifty.


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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2018, 05:09:PM »
in the call he doesnt mention checking his mums pulse so if he dident how the bloody does he know shes dead.

and also how deos he know the couse of death how does he know sh hasnt had some sort of acedent.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2018, 06:00:PM »
Aside from the 999 call, there's the curious report by the paramedics who arrived on the scene that, when they cut Mrs E's clothing to administer the defibrillator, the son opened the door and said, "Do you think you should be doing that? This is a crime scene." To which, one of the paramedics replied, "We have to check if there's a heartbeat."

Again, if you've found your mother in a pool of blood and the paramedics are attaching pads to her body that you recognise as belonging to a machine that may re-start her heart if it's stopped, would you try to stop them?

he seems to know its a crime scene before anybody else does.

normally its the police that decide weather its a crime scene or not.


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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 09:56:PM »
I think the Defence is clutching at straws here.

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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 10:08:PM »
I think the Defence is clutching at straws here.

untill somthing else turns up you have to clutch at somthing.

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Re: mathew hamlen
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 12:07:PM »
was the suns behavior mentioned in the origenal trail.