Sheila used to punch her children in the face, according to Freddie Emani..

[mike tesko]

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[lookout]

There's no excuse for hitting children in the face, ill or not !

[Jane]

There's no excuse for hitting children in the face, ill or not !

I agree, but I don't believe it's anything that need concern us. It is what it is. Something allegedly said by a woman who may never have met Freddie, OR Sheila. Given that she was with Jeremy around the time of his 21st birthday the timings may not have overlapped. It's also worth remembering that the twins would only have been around a year to eighteen months old. I wonder how Sheila would have explained away such frequent bruising?

[lookout]

I agree, but I don't believe it's anything that need concern us. It is what it is. Something allegedly said by a woman who may never have met Freddie, OR Sheila. Given that she was with Jeremy around the time of his 21st birthday the timings may not have overlapped. It's also worth remembering that the twins would only have been around a year to eighteen months old. I wonder how Sheila would have explained away such frequent bruising?

There were unexplained bruises on one or both boys though you don't appear interested in case it ever comes to light that Sheila had been incapable of looking after them and you'd been wrong all the time.

I do get a tone of desperation in your posts for some unknown reason. Very defensive. Why ??

[Caroline]

There were unexplained bruises on one or both boys though you don't appear interested in case it ever comes to light that Sheila had been incapable of looking after them and you'd been wrong all the time.

I do get a tone of desperation in your posts for some unknown reason. Very defensive. Why ??

When I was a kid, I had masses of 'unexplained' bruises and my parents NEVER hit me. Kids get bruises and Sheila hitting the kids in the face is just hearsay and it probably originated from Jeremy himself!

[Jane]

There were unexplained bruises on one or both boys though you don't appear interested in case it ever comes to light that Sheila had been incapable of looking after them and you'd been wrong all the time.

I do get a tone of desperation in your posts for some unknown reason. Very defensive. Why ??

And children of that age are surrounded by those whose job it is to look out for their well being. Sheila was know to take them to the doctor/hospital for the slightest mishap. NONE of those incidents were ever seen as being suspicious. I know what you're trying to do here, Lookout. You did EXACTLY the same when you accused her of being a drug addict and previously when you said she was promiscuous.

[lookout]

When I was a kid, I had masses of 'unexplained' bruises and my parents NEVER hit me. Kids get bruises and Sheila hitting the kids in the face is just hearsay and it probably originated from Jeremy himself!

Hearsay ? Again, when it suits. The case was built on " hearsay ". The remark came from Emami not Jeremy !

[Jane]

Hearsay ? Again, when it suits. The case was built on " hearsay ". The remark came from Emami not Jeremy !

And from where might HE have acquired the information?

[mike tesko]

What did Freddie Emani say about these acts of violence in his unedited version of his witness statements?

Moreover, why (if it was never done) would Essex police not take what Suzette Ford had to say regarding this violent conduct towards her two little children, speak to Freddie Emani directly about such conduct, and get 'it' from the horse's mouth so to speak, so that people could brush aside any notion that Sheila had been violent towards her kids on previous occasions? It wouldn't be treated as hearsay then, if they had done that, and even now at this late stage, Freddie Emani could still make a fresh / new witness statement confirming that he had personally witnessed the violence that Sheila had inflicted on one or other of her two kids, or both of them!

[David1819]

IIRC. According to Collins father. He was once called to take the twins away from Sheila because she thought they were the devil and might hurt them.

[David1819]

What did Freddie Emani say about these acts of violence in his unedited version of his witness statements?

Moreover, why (if it was never done) would Essex police not take what Suzette Ford had to say regarding this violent conduct towards her two little children, speak to Freddie Emani directly about such conduct, and get 'it' from the horse's mouth so to speak, so that people could brush aside any notion that Sheila had been violent towards her kids on previous occasions? It wouldn't be treated as hearsay then, if they had done that, and even now at this late stage, Freddie Emani could still make a fresh / new witness statement confirming that he had personally witnessed the violence that Sheila had inflicted on one or other of her two kids, or both of them!

Not really worth exploring further.

The amount of circumstantial evidence pointing to Sheila's propensity for being a threat to the victims of the massacre is in relative abundance. If such evidence was attributed to Jeremy we would never hear the end of it.

[lookout]

Well so far as I know and have read Jeremy never threatened anyone nor harmed anyone which is a sure fire diagnosis of anyone who intends harm.

[Jane]

Well so far as I know and have read Jeremy never threatened anyone nor harmed anyone which is a sure fire diagnosis of anyone who intends harm.

Ah, but as you were so quick to tell us that there ARE unrecorded incidents of him making special journeys to escort Sheila from parties, I'm at liberty to say there ARE unrecorded incidents of Jeremy doing harm to and threatening others.

[Caroline]

Well so far as I know and have read Jeremy never threatened anyone nor harmed anyone which is a sure fire diagnosis of anyone who intends harm.

But that's not very far is it?

[mike tesko]

Not really worth exploring further.

The amount of circumstantial evidence pointing to Sheila's propensity for being a threat to the victims of the massacre is in relative abundance. If such evidence was attributed to Jeremy we would never hear the end of it.

Essex police did not want to portray Sheila as the dangerously violent parent, daughter, etc...