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Offline Caroline

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Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« on: October 19, 2018, 10:23:PM »
Just started watching this - just making a thread for comments.

If Avery is innocent, then Bobby Dassey is surely involved?
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 11:59 AM »
Just started watching this - just making a thread for comments.

If Avery is innocent, then Bobby Dassey is surely involved?

There is a lot of evidence against Avery that the show does not mention. For example

1. Avery kept requesting from Auto Trader specifically that they send Teresa Halbach down to take photos of cars.  Halbach once describes Avery meeting her almost naked (wearing just a towel)

2. Teresa only had two weeks left at this job. She was leaving because she didnt like it. Probably due the point I raised above.

3. In Brendan Dasseys confession. He desribes using some BDSM type restraints while he and avery raped her. Avery actually owned what Dassey desribed.

4. In Brendan Dasseys confession. He mentions he helped Avery clean up the floor of the crime scene with bleach. The jeans that Brendan Dassey admits wearing on the night in question were covered in bleach stains!

5. The bullet recovered from Averys garage that had the victims DNA on it. Was fired from Averys gun that he kept above his bed.

6. Steven Avery's blood was found INSIDE the victims car near the ignition. Avery had a cut finger on the day in question.

7. Avery at first denied having a bonfire on the night. Later admitted that he did have a bonfire. Were the victims charred remains were.  ::)

And so. Even the most dedicated of Avery supporters conceed that Avery and Brendan were cleaning the garage with bleach and having a bonfire that night. They just cant admit the obvious implications of that.

Lets face it. An unprejudiced documentary would be about a creepy guy killing an autotrader employee that he became obsessed with. That is not going to get much viewers.

I found the first series to be emotionally manipulative and manipulative all over for the sake of getting veiwers.  I have no plan to watch the second for that reason :-\
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 12:52 PM »
dassey is almost certanly innocent im not sure about avery though.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 01:08 PM »
dassey is almost certanly innocent im not sure about avery though.


They cant both be innocent. Brendan Dassey does not deny helping Avery clean the garage with bleach and having a bonfire that night.


The only way he can innocent is if he was too stupid to work out what was happening.
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"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 01:13 PM »

They cant both be innocent. Brendan Dassey does not deny helping Avery clean the garage with bleach and having a bonfire that night.


The only way he can innocent is if he was too stupid to work out what was happening.

what evdence do they have aginst dacy other than a corced confession nothing that i can see.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 02:32 PM »
There is a lot of evidence against Avery that the show does not mention. For example

1. Avery kept requesting from Auto Trader specifically that they send Teresa Halbach down to take photos of cars.  Halbach once describes Avery meeting her almost naked (wearing just a towel)

2. Teresa only had two weeks left at this job. She was leaving because she didnt like it. Probably due the point I raised above.

3. In Brendan Dasseys confession. He desribes using some BDSM type restraints while he and avery raped her. Avery actually owned what Dassey desribed.

4. In Brendan Dasseys confession. He mentions he helped Avery clean up the floor of the crime scene with bleach. The jeans that Brendan Dassey admits wearing on the night in question were covered in bleach stains!

5. The bullet recovered from Averys garage that had the victims DNA on it. Was fired from Averys gun that he kept above his bed.

6. Steven Avery's blood was found INSIDE the victims car near the ignition. Avery had a cut finger on the day in question.

7. Avery at first denied having a bonfire on the night. Later admitted that he did have a bonfire. Were the victims charred remains were.  ::)

And so. Even the most dedicated of Avery supporters conceed that Avery and Brendan were cleaning the garage with bleach and having a bonfire that night. They just cant admit the obvious implications of that.

Lets face it. An unprejudiced documentary would be about a creepy guy killing an autotrader employee that he became obsessed with. That is not going to get much viewers.

I found the first series to be emotionally manipulative and manipulative all over for the sake of getting veiwers.  I have no plan to watch the second for that reason :-\

Most of what you have described above has been explained in the new series. His new lawyer is looking at the science and recreating the scene. I haven't made my mind up about guilt or innocence but if he is innocent, Dassey's brother would certainly be a suspect.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 05:24 PM »
Most of what you have described above has been explained in the new series. His new lawyer is looking at the science and recreating the scene. I haven't made my mind up about guilt or innocence but if he is innocent, Dassey's brother would certainly be a suspect.

Explained how?

He doesn’t have a new lawyer. Kathrine Zellner has been representing him for almost three years now. She has said a lot but never proved anything. She once tried to argue the burned remains is not Theresa despite her burned belongings being found among the bones. To me it’s just throwing mud and see what sticks.
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 06:04 PM »
what evdence do they have aginst dacy other than a corced confession nothing that i can see.

Have you actually read what Brendan said? or just running with what you've been told?

Brendan has an IQ below 70 and the information he gave matched the scene and was very consistent with everything.

I found the part bellow rather interesting.

"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 08:02 PM »
Have you actually read what Brendan said? or just running with what you've been told?

Brendan has an IQ below 70 and the information he gave matched the scene and was very consistent with everything.

I found the part bellow rather interesting.

that means abslutly nothing the police could of fed him that info.

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 08:20 PM »
that means abslutly nothing the police could of fed him that info.


Or he witnessed the murder and helped his uncle dispose of the body.
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix) Series Two
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 11:46 PM »
Explained how?

He doesn’t have a new lawyer. Kathrine Zellner has been representing him for almost three years now. She has said a lot but never proved anything. She once tried to argue the burned remains is not Theresa despite her burned belongings being found among the bones. To me it’s just throwing mud and see what sticks.

Watch it