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Offline gringo

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #345 on: August 09, 2018, 03:20:PM »
Thank you for your very clear assessment of why the missing negatives were/is a major issue in this case
   You're welcome, Jackie. I think there is more to come yet.

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« Reply #346 on: August 09, 2018, 03:20:PM »
   Still crying? I doubt, with the exception of you and Jane, that there is anyone who has read the thread who cannot see that Bird's role as specialist is agreed by Bird, COLP and the court. Jackie, John, Irene, Vern, NGB and everybody else can comprehend and make reasonable inferences and all can see that I have stated nothing to disagree with. You on the other hand...
   
No laughing! And you have no idea why  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Can you two just agree to disagree? Birds capacity or job description does not warrant a debate thread exceeding 300 posts.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #347 on: August 09, 2018, 03:25:PM »
      So how many pictures of the gun cupboard taken on 7/8/85 have been disclosed to the defence?



Two. Eight are missing.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #348 on: August 09, 2018, 04:51:PM »
Can you two just agree to disagree? Birds capacity or job description does not warrant a debate thread exceeding 300 posts.

Not a chance but I agree with the second part of your comment.
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #349 on: August 09, 2018, 05:04:PM »
   You're welcome, Jackie. I think there is more to come yet.

That’s something to look forward to
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #350 on: August 09, 2018, 05:48:PM »
Which important bit gringo ? I have a magnifier here for illegible documents. ;D

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #351 on: August 09, 2018, 05:57:PM »
Which important bit gringo ? I have a magnifier here for illegible documents. ;D
   It is the 6th and 7th pages, Lookout where Rivlin is cross examining Bird. It is difficult to make out, good luck. Rivlin is asking about photos of gun cupboard and measurements of the gun cupboard.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #352 on: August 09, 2018, 05:59:PM »
   It is the 6th and 7th pages, Lookout where Rivlin is cross examining Bird. It is difficult to make out, good luck. Rivlin is asking about photos of gun cupboard and measurements of the gun cupboard.






Okay I'll do my best.

Oh dear it's dodgy where the black ink is covering but describes the upstairs bathroom main bedroom Jeremy's bedroom and the landing then back again numbering each photograph 14,15,16 and 17 but can't make out whether all these areas were photographed.
This was page 6.

Page 7-----cupboard measurement=4' 7x55ins
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #353 on: August 09, 2018, 06:39:PM »
    From what I can make out there appear to be no photo's of the gun cupboard taken on 7/8/85 produced at trial. If JB's defence have had only two pictures of the gun cupboard disclosed then it has to be the two taken on the 23/9/85 which Bird is questioned about during the trial.
    So where are the photographs that Bird took on 7/8/85 which he was shown and asked about in 1991 by COLP? but now supposedly don't exist
   

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #354 on: August 09, 2018, 06:55:PM »
DC David Robert Hammersley Trial Transcript------is worth a look.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #355 on: August 09, 2018, 07:52:PM »
DC David Robert Hammersley Trial Transcript------is worth a look.
   I had read it earlier and there is much of interest in there. His guardedness during cross examination is apparent. Viewed alongside his breakdown in the COLP interview where he says, "it wasn't me who found it" or words to that effect, he gives the distinct impression that he has something to hide.
    He also denied knowledge of the gun cupboard until weeks later, presumably because the pictures were from 23/9/85. The whole story around the gun cupboard presented by EP is self evidently a pack of lies.

   1) Bird takes pictures of the gun cupboard on 7/8/85. In 1991 he views and discusses said pictures
       with COLP.
   2) Bird in court is examined and cross examined and the only photographs discussed are ones taken
       on the 23/9/85.
   3) Hammersley when examined and cross examined denies even knowing that there was a gun
       cupboard until weeks later despite examining WHF on the 7th, 8th and 9th August.

   Is it even remotely feasible that Hammersley couldn't know this. It seems reasonably clear that the court was seriously misled here.
   What exactly do the photographs taken by Bird on 7/8/85 show? It would appear to be something that EP are desperate to hide.
   It is also difficult to believe that the firearms team had not asked and found out about the gun cupboard before the raid. The knowledge of the gun cupboard was available on the 7th and the feigned EP ignorance is preposterous and shown to be a lie anyway by Bird's COLP interview.
   
     
   

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #356 on: August 09, 2018, 09:32:PM »
And Adams!
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #357 on: August 09, 2018, 09:49:PM »
It's happened to me lookout-something I wrote in 2012 or thereabouts whilst I was in a bad mood is quoted to show that that is the true reflection of an individual..





I'm placid by nature Steve because people in the " real " world don't try my patience.

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« Reply #358 on: August 09, 2018, 09:53:PM »




I'm placid by nature Steve because people in the " real " world don't try my patience.

They probably aren't interested in the Bamber case.
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #359 on: August 09, 2018, 10:45:PM »
 It's been said dozens of times that Sheila's hands were clean.