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« Reply #285 on: July 14, 2018, 04:34:PM »




I'd made sure I was none of those by standing up for myself and risking mother's wrath. It was brother who took no chances ( coward ) Nobody was going to break my spirit.


But I guess you were or you wouldn't have felt the need to stand up for yourself. Strong mother. Cowardly brother. Sounds like a mix of anger, hurt and jealousy would have been appropriate............and correct? What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, eh?

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« Reply #286 on: July 14, 2018, 05:27:PM »

But I guess you were or you wouldn't have felt the need to stand up for yourself. Strong mother. Cowardly brother. Sounds like a mix of anger, hurt and jealousy would have been appropriate............and correct? What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, eh?





Definitely makes you stronger and well prepared for what life throws at you.

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« Reply #287 on: July 14, 2018, 10:40:PM »





Obviously my main focus has been and will be on Sheila after considering all other options. After studying her life over the short period of years that she'd been alive she'd lived those years in the shadow of her mother and from day one it wasn't the ideal beginning. Life wasn't as kind to her as it should have been and the relationship with her mother had a direct affect as she emerged into adulthood.

JB obviously had the same background but was more resilient and had been able to shut off as some can though it seemed that he hadn't been subjected to the same religious content as Sheila had been therefore his mind hadn't been " fighting between good and evil or God and the Devil " like Sheila's had been. It also appeared to me that JB had been favoured more than Sheila in June's eyes a reason perhaps why Sheila leaned towards her father. Nothing unusual in this as it goes on in lots of families but it's so sad that Sheila couldn't share her problems with her mother in a mother/daughter relationship. Instead we see JB helping his mother bake cakes----no sign of Sheila ?


The trauma of abortion/miscarriages and live births without follow-up counselling for any would also have had lasting damage on Sheila's mental health along with a lack of support. It's too much to have expected that Sheila would have " got over " these things because she wouldn't have done and being predisposed to mental illness because of her beginning in life it became obvious that something was radically wrong.

As far as supporting the current team of course I do and I will knowing that they know far more about this case as time goes on and with the extra information they've been afforded, though not all of it as yet.


JB had a relatively easy life compared to Sheila which would have made a vast difference to how he felt against how Sheila was feeling at that time.

You studied Sheila? When?
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Re: Nevills burns revisited.
« Reply #288 on: July 14, 2018, 10:57:PM »





Obviously my main focus has been and will be on Sheila after considering all other options. After studying her life over the short period of years that she'd been alive she'd lived those years in the shadow of her mother and from day one it wasn't the ideal beginning. Life wasn't as kind to her as it should have been and the relationship with her mother had a direct affect as she emerged into adulthood.

JB obviously had the same background but was more resilient and had been able to shut off as some can though it seemed that he hadn't been subjected to the same religious content as Sheila had been therefore his mind hadn't been " fighting between good and evil or God and the Devil " like Sheila's had been. It also appeared to me that JB had been favoured more than Sheila in June's eyes a reason perhaps why Sheila leaned towards her father. Nothing unusual in this as it goes on in lots of families but it's so sad that Sheila couldn't share her problems with her mother in a mother/daughter relationship. Instead we see JB helping his mother bake cakes----no sign of Sheila ?


The trauma of abortion/miscarriages and live births without follow-up counselling for any would also have had lasting damage on Sheila's mental health along with a lack of support. It's too much to have expected that Sheila would have " got over " these things because she wouldn't have done and being predisposed to mental illness because of her beginning in life it became obvious that something was radically wrong.

As far as supporting the current team of course I do and I will knowing that they know far more about this case as time goes on and with the extra information they've been afforded, though not all of it as yet.


JB had a relatively easy life compared to Sheila which would have made a vast difference to how he felt against how Sheila was feeling at that time.
Actually lookout I was with you there until the last paragraph. Jeremy did make it easy upon himself and who could blame him hitherto, but the pressure which went with being heir was being ratcheted up daily by parents who expected him to fall in line, themselves having had far greater expectations of them in their time. But the threats and coercion which led to the break-up with Suzette and ultimately their deaths was Jeremy's justification as he surmised that they had earned their fate for the way they had treated him down the years.
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« Reply #289 on: July 15, 2018, 08:35:AM »
Actually lookout I was with you there until the last paragraph. Jeremy did make it easy upon himself and who could blame him hitherto, but the pressure which went with being heir was being ratcheted up daily by parents who expected him to fall in line, themselves having had far greater expectations of them in their time. But the threats and coercion which led to the break-up with Suzette and ultimately their deaths was Jeremy's justification as he surmised that they had earned their fate for the way they had treated him down the years.

There is no scale of 1 to 10 for judging psychological/emotional pain. We don't have the right to judge how WE think it is/was for others. A wonderful example is that my late partner once told me how 'difficult' -actually he'd been troubled- his youngest son had been compared to the eldest who was so good "we never knew we had him". The eldest told be he been totally ignored. He'd been handed a toy or book, left to get on with it, whilst his parents' whole focus had been on his younger brother. His pain was never obvious, but was probably as acute as his brother's had been. The reasons for it may be diverse, but pain is pain is pain.

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« Reply #290 on: July 15, 2018, 09:20:AM »

Steve, you outline, very succinctly, that Jeremy couldn't have escaped all that befell Sheila, albeit, he had a very different coping mechanism. You've said, on previous occasions, that you believe he saw himself as a "nonentity". That's very much at odds with someone of his arrogance, who believes they can commit the perfect crime, don't you think? I'm rather more inclined to think that he simply didn't want to live up to what where Nevill and June's aspirations for him. That it wasn't the lifestyle he wanted for himself. I feel that, had he truly felt he owed them some sort of debt of gratitude, he may have been prepared to do what they wanted.

I think he saw himself as the victim and that they owed him.
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« Reply #291 on: July 15, 2018, 09:40:AM »
I think he saw himself as the victim and that they owed him.


I don't think there's any doubt about it, Caroline. From where he possibly believed he was, who can say he was wrong? We don't know what might have been his aspirations as a child. We don't know that he ever shared them. There's a huge chasm between accepting, without complaint, a future mapped out, and wanting that future for oneself. It's quite easy to believe that he may have felt trapped, as opposed to Sheila, who seemed to be able to do exactly as she pleased. It's easy to believe he saw his future as funding Sheila's whims. Certainly, they owed him.

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« Reply #292 on: July 15, 2018, 09:46:AM »
As do psychopaths

No they don't. Mutilation of a corpse for the sake of disposal/concealment is not bizarre at all. There is reason behind it.

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« Reply #293 on: July 15, 2018, 09:54:AM »
No they don't. Mutilation of a corpse for the sake of disposal/concealment is not bizarre at all. There is reason behind it.


Are you saying psychopaths aren't capable of reason?

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« Reply #294 on: July 15, 2018, 10:02:AM »
No they don't. Mutilation of a corpse for the sake of disposal/concealment is not bizarre at all. There is reason behind it.

Yes they do - one example (but there are many!) is Ted Bundy who famously bit one of his victims (his teeth were matched to the bite) and mutilated others in various ways. Check your facts before making sweeping statements!
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« Reply #295 on: July 15, 2018, 11:46:AM »
Yes they do - one example (but there are many!) is Ted Bundy who famously bit one of his victims (his teeth were matched to the bite) and mutilated others in various ways. Check your facts before making sweeping statements!

Those bites were done during sexual intercourse with the victim. Ted Bundy was addicted to violent bondage porn (the root influence of his crimes). There is reasoning behind it.

Other than for the sake of disposing the body I guess you could dismember a victim for the sake of keeping it as a momento.

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« Reply #296 on: July 15, 2018, 12:04:PM »
Those bites were done during sexual intercourse with the victim. Ted Bundy was addicted to violent bondage porn (the root influence of his crimes). There is reasoning behind it.

Other than for the sake of disposing the body I guess you could dismember a victim for the sake of keeping it as a momento.


Whatever the reasons, the act was committed. Keepsakes can become problematic, as Denis Nilson discovered.

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« Reply #297 on: July 15, 2018, 12:10:PM »
Those bites were done during sexual intercourse with the victim. Ted Bundy was addicted to violent bondage porn (the root influence of his crimes). There is reasoning behind it.

Other than for the sake of disposing the body I guess you could dismember a victim for the sake of keeping it as a momento.

Seriousy David, you twist more than Chubby Checker! Anyone who mutilates a body would have a reason - it might be their reason but it is a reason nevertheless. Bundy was a paychopath and he mutilated the bodies of his victims because he enjoyed it. It wasn't to dipose of them, he simply enjoyed it and you initially said .....

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No they don't. Mutilation of a corpse for the sake of disposal/concealment is not bizarre at all. There is reason behind it.

Gaining satisfaction from mutilation you think is 'rational'? How is this distinctive from your claim that schizophrenic's mutilate? Your example states that the person in question decapitated her victim, Bundy also did this with 12 of his victims and kept their heads in his apartment. He claims to have eaten parts of his victims. Of course, I'm sure he had a rational reason for doing so  ::)
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« Reply #298 on: July 15, 2018, 12:32:PM »
Pity it hadn't been in another country where they believe in an eye for an eye !!

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« Reply #299 on: July 15, 2018, 01:00:PM »
Pity it hadn't been in another country where they believe in an eye for an eye !!


That would be those same countries, would it, that stone women to death if a man, other than her husband has sex with her?