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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 06:30:PM »
If you look closely enough at the areas on Sheila Caffell's lower right arm, you can just make out the small areas of bruising which were caused by the ejecting spent cartridge cases from the original loading of the anshuzt rifle with live bullets! This is in stark contrast to the bloodstained straition marks that were also caused by bloodstained cartridge cases  striking that part of her arm, from the additional bullets she needed to have loaded into the gun in order for her to carry out the shootings!
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 06:43:PM »
She was right handed. You have even stated this in the past yourself

I have stated many things in the past that I said with a view of trying to stimulate debate, or until I found out the truth at a later time! That is why I formed the forum for people to debate things! There has been occasions in the past when what I said might not have been strictly true, in the same way that the prosecution, the police, barristers and solicitors, and dare I say it ordinary witnesses sometimes say things with a view to getting a reaction or a response! What actually matters here and now, is not whether Sheila Caffell was right handed, or left handed, what counts was how she handled the rifle when she loaded the additional bullets into the gun, and which of her two hands was used by way of the trigger mechanism, and which other hand was extended out to support the barrel of the rifle at the point in time when she was firing live bullets at the victims?

The bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of her right arm, and her right wrist are consistent with her having loaded bloodstained live additional rounds into the gun, and that thereafter wards she fired the gun and she discharged the ammunition! A consequence of discharging that bloodstained ammunition was that the ejecting cartridge cases were flung towards Sheila's outstretched lower right arm and her right wrist! The presence of these unique markings in blood on that part of her anatomy being the compelling evidence that Sheila had fired the gun whilst holding it in a Katie cornered sort of fashion - where the lower part of her right arm and her right wrist became a unique obstruction to the repelled and bloodstained spent cartridge cases!

Sheila fired the gun, and what is 100% certain is that at the time she was firing the gun with live bullets at two generations of her own extended family she fired the gun with the fingers of her left hand, and supported the barrel of the gun with her outstretched right arm!

If she had'nt loaded bloodstained live rounds into the gun, and she had'nt fired the gun, then we would not be here now trying to discuss the cause of the aforementioned bloodstained straition marks on her lower right arm and her right wrist!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2982.msg108041.html#msg108041

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,373.msg98669.html#msg98669

Her right had was found (conveniently) next to the trigger! yes, it's true, the cops staged Sheila Caffell's death scene on her parents bedroom floor as a suicide, whilst conducting 'informatives'. At this time the cops placed the gun on Sheila's body and arranged her right hand close to the trigger mechanism. But what they didn't know at the time the cops staged Sheila's death scene there on the parents bedroom floor was that Sheila always fired guns using the fingers of her left hand on the trigger mechanism, and used her extended lower right arm to take the weight of the guns barrel and take aim whilst firing! Rather more astonishingly, the senior officers were far too clever for their own good when they decided to reschedule the accident involving the loaded rifle which had been brought to Sheila's body once her body had been moved from on top of the parents bed, onto the bedroom floor! A shooting accident, involving a loaded rifle that was brought from the box room window to the main bedroom, and placed with Sheila's body as part of these informatives, since by that stage Sheila had only been shot once, which as you know related to her supposed suicide downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am to 7.45am). Little did they know that by them trying to cover up the circumstances of Sheila's earlier suicide attempt in the kitchen, and the fact that she was actually killed off as a result of a bizarre shooting accident by the cops themselves, upstairs on the main bedroom floor, was the uniqueness of these bloodstained straition marks photographed on the lower part of Sheila Caffell's right arm and in the region of her right hand wrist!

It was all well and good the cops joining the relatives in the task of prosecuting Jeremy Bamber as the killer, just because the relatives knew dark secrets concerning what had actually taken place at the scene, when Sheila had been killed off as a result of a police shooting accident as part of a training exercise, dubbed 'informatives'...

Hence, why the cops went to great lengths to try and keep a lid on the photographic evidence which confirms that Sheila Caffell had been the shooter afterall! That's why they tampered with the photographic records and created a false 'MASTER COPY ALBUM' Containing only 223 of the 581 photographs and a crime scene video taken by dC Henderson and dC Oakey...

But they had better get ready now, because the prevebrial shit has just started to hit the fan....


OOPS....

Yes, you have said this before - but chopping and changing isn't debate - it just moving goal posts. I thought the purpose of the forum was to sort out the wheat from the chaff and determine fact from myth, not create and promote it?
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 10:21:PM »
Yes, you have said this before - but chopping and changing isn't debate - it just moving goal posts. I thought the purpose of the forum was to sort out the wheat from the chaff and determine fact from myth, not create and promote it?

It's not healthy for anyone who is not prepared to change their mind about anything!

Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to change their minds about anything and everything!

Furthermore, almost everything is open to interpretation...

Did you know for example that Jeremy accused the firearms officers at the scene of shooting dead all of his family on the morning of the shootings, which casts something of a shadow on the police claim that they were influenced by the mindset they fell foul of, conditioned by Jeremy to make them think that what they were dealing with four murders and a suicide?

How do the police and it's supporters work that out when within minutes of the news being told to Jeremy he complained to PS Saxby that the firearms officers had gone into the farmhouse and shot everyone dead?
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 10:25:PM »
It's not healthy for anyone who is not prepared to change their mind about anything!

Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to change their minds about anything and everything!

Furthermore, almost everything is open to interpretation...

Did you know for example that Jeremy accused the firearms officers at the scene of shooting dead all of his family on the morning of the shootings, which casts something of a shadow on the police claim that they were influenced by the mindset they fell foul of, conditioned by Jeremy to make them think that what they were dealing with four murders and a suicide?

How do the police and it's supporters work that out when within minutes of the news being told to Jeremy he complained to PS Saxby that the firearms officers had gone into the farmhouse and shot everyone dead?

Such a serious complaint made by Jeremy within about 40 minutes of the firearm officers entering the farmhouse, which never got recorded properly, or investigated by the police themselves!
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 11:10:PM »
Such a serious complaint made by Jeremy within about 40 minutes of the firearm officers entering the farmhouse, which never got recorded properly, or investigated by the police themselves!

When if the truth be known, the cops did shoot Bambers sister on two separate occasions after they entered the farmhouse,initially they shot her at around 7.35am when her body was being talked of in terms of her death having been by way of suicide ( occuring at about 7.35am, with a shout going out to all concerned that Sheila had been found and had died as a result of suicide, by 7.45am, at the very latest). The cops also shot Sheila a second time at 9.13am, in a rather bizarre shooting accident being practiced as part of a training operation dubbed 'informatives'. Involved in this practice were senior police officers Harris, Gibbons and Wright, firearm officers Montgomery and woodcock, and DHQ SOCO's DC Henderson and DC Oakey. Henderson and Oakey took hundreds of photographs of which some show the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell', collapsed on top of the bed in the parents bedroom, confirming that which Dr Craig, Stan Jones and Mick Clark all observed between around 8.44am and just after 9.05am (albeit, Craig refers only to the body of Sheila Caffell being 'on the far side of the bed' when he pronounced her dead)...
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 12:10:AM »
It's not healthy for anyone who is not prepared to change their mind about anything!

Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to change their minds about anything and everything!


Furthermore, almost everything is open to interpretation...

Did you know for example that Jeremy accused the firearms officers at the scene of shooting dead all of his family on the morning of the shootings, which casts something of a shadow on the police claim that they were influenced by the mindset they fell foul of, conditioned by Jeremy to make them think that what they were dealing with four murders and a suicide?

How do the police and it's supporters work that out when within minutes of the news being told to Jeremy he complained to PS Saxby that the firearms officers had gone into the farmhouse and shot everyone dead?

I wholeheartedly agree - I changed my mind about Jeremy bing innocent. Nothing wrong with changing you mind, nothing wrong at all.

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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2018, 09:39:AM »
If I was a guilter I'd be questioning right now the reason why EP are withholding documents which not only have had court orders requesting them but also some members of the general public------and have received no response nor reasoning in return. Those of us with suspicious minds can't help but wonder what it is that's stopping 33 year old information from coming to light as afterall depending what your thoughts on the subject are could/should have been dealt with/used during the trial thus avoiding the need for a layout of £25,000 which had been payment used in which to boost the prosecution. ?


The way I see it is that it's not usual nor standard practice to both withhold and " compensate " ?

It's also not standard to withhold that which can assist the defence which is why I don't personally agree with EP's tactics. Answers are needed to promote fairness and transparency in the justice system.

 

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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2018, 09:43:AM »
The prosecution's case as presented during the trial, and since was a dishonest one, with its witnesses deliberately concealing real evidence from everybody involved in the judicial processes (including the 2002 appeal hearing)! This is because Sheila Caffell's body was not spotlessly clean, and most of the prosecution witnesses who testified who were present at the scene inside the farmhouse throughout the first morning and until the early afternoon, knew that the bodies of the three adult victims had been moved around under the authority of senior officers in a training exercise dubbed 'informatives'. Moreover, the relatives who also testified, in particular Ann Eaton, knew within two hours of the facts being known, that the bodies of Sheila Caffell and June Bamber had not always been present upon the bedroom floor either side of the bed, because whilst at Jeremy's cottage, Stan Jones and Mick Clark recounted to her, and the others present, that the bodies of Sheila and June had been laid on the bed side by side one another and that a rifle which had been used to shoot everybody was resting on the bed in-between both bodies, and that there was a Bible on top of Sheila's chest...

How can the bodies of June Bamber and Sheila Caffell' have been found on the bedroom floor either side of the bed when found by the firearm officers when they entered the farmhouse at just after 7.30am, where they remained untouched until PC Bird (2nd team of SOCO) photographed their bodies there under the claim that no-one had interfered with their bodies, which were not supposedly moved until after PC Bird had finished taking all of his photographs? He did not start taking photographs until around 11.15am, and so the contents of the previously unknown about timed police radio message log contents are a clear contradiction of that, as are the unspoken about sightings by Dr Craig at 8.44am when he stated that Sheila's body was 'on the far side of the bed', when he pronounced her as being dead at that time! Additionally, how can the bodies of June and Sheila have remained in situ undisturbed until after PC Bird finished taking photographs if by around 9.05am the bodies of Sheila and June were laid on top of the bed side by side with the rifle on the bed in-between their bodies and a Bible on top of Sheila Caffell's chest at that stage?

Seems to me that all the prosecution witnesses, and uncle Tom Cobbly an all', (except for the defence, and the court which was trying the matter all knew far more than they were saying in their testimonies)...

It's called 'perverting the course of justice' and 'contempt of court'. what o..
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 10:43:AM »
If I was a guilter I'd be questioning right now the reason why EP are withholding documents which not only have had court orders requesting them but also some members of the general public------and have received no response nor reasoning in return. Those of us with suspicious minds can't help but wonder what it is that's stopping 33 year old information from coming to light as afterall depending what your thoughts on the subject are could/should have been dealt with/used during the trial thus avoiding the need for a layout of £25,000 which had been payment used in which to boost the prosecution. ?


The way I see it is that it's not usual nor standard practice to both withhold and " compensate " ?

It's also not standard to withhold that which can assist the defence which is why I don't personally agree with EP's tactics. Answers are needed to promote fairness and transparency in the justice system.

 

Perhaps if your were a guiltier you would see the claim of 'withheld' documents as a convenient bogus claim - smething that can run and run - regardless.
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 10:55:AM »
Sheila's body was not spotlessly clean as claimed by presentation of the prosecution's case during the 1986 Crown Court Trial, the 2002 appeal, and since...

There was, as we all now know a series of explanatory bloodstained straition markings on the lower part of her right arm, and in the vicinity of her right wrist, which is direct evidence confirming that she had in fact fired several bullets from the rifle, to which the corresponding spent cartridge cases had struck that part of her body upon them being individually ejected from the rifle she was holding in her possession, and firing!

Right handed, or left handed, Sheila held the loaded rifle in a particular way when she was shooting shots at the victims!

The fingers of her left hand were in connection with the trigger mechanism, and with her right hand she held the barrel of the gun and directed the shots which she fired at, and into the bodies of the victims.

The prosecution and in particular Essex police withheld /did not disclose the photographic evidence which confirms the presence of these bloodstained straition markings upon the extended lower right arm and right wrist, that were caused by ejecting cartridge cases which struck that part of her lower right arm because it was an obstruction in the way of the casings trajectory after it / they left the rifle...
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 11:01:AM »
Perhaps if your were a guiltier you would see the claim of 'withheld' documents as a convenient bogus claim - smething that can run and run - regardless.






I wouldn't see anything else but a continual refusal to hand over documents which would leave me wondering why. If EP publicly announced that there were either no papers or at least gave a valid reason as to their refusal but to totally ignore and say nothing doesn't exactly give you the confidence that the force is altogether truthful.
Do we have proof as to whether there are files withheld ? NO, and it's because of EP's refusal to admit otherwise.
The bottom line is that none of us know for sure,so there's no real point in arguing about that one. Except I believe that there are and you don't----------so fair enough. At this stage NEITHER of us is right

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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 11:31:AM »
It should also not be overlooked, that by the time DC Henderson, DC Oakey ( 1st SOCO team) and PC Bird ( 2nd SOCO team) took photographs of Sheila Caffell's staged death scene, and by this I mean between 9.00am and 10.00am ( 1st SOCO team ) and between 11.15am and 1.15pm ( 2nd SOCO team ), that police knew that after the second shot which had effectively ended Sheila Caffell's life had been inflicted / received, that her body had been resting upon its right hand side in the recovery position because of tell tale signs not only by looking at the Bloodstaining on her nightdress, but at significant parts of her body, for example, the mottling effect which had already begun to set in upon Sheila's left arm /hand, as opposed to the whitish colour on her right arm which at the time Sheila had been in the recovery position (already) had been underneath her sideways on body, closest to the bedroom floor. Police must have known by the time of these photographs which depicts these characteristics had been taken that Sheila Caffell's body had been moved!

With certainty then, cops who entered the farmhouse and cops who took photographs at various stages of the investigation showing Sheila Caffell's body in situ, on the bedroom floor, must have known that Sheila's body had been moved about, disturbed and stage managed by somebody - so why was it that police went ahead with the four murders and a suicide, where Sheila had shot and killed the other four victims, and had then shot herself twice in the neck on the bedroom floor committing suicide?

Look, if Sheila's body was originally found in the position her body was captured in, how come they did not pay particular attention to a number of significant features, any one of which would surely raise 'a red flag' by anybodies standards? For example, with Sheila's body allegedly found in the suppine position on its back on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle, and the outer part of her upper / outer right arm resting partially underneath a Bible, there was a huge triangular shaped bloodstains upon the shoulder / armpit area on the nightdress she was wearing? Trails of blood ran in different directions on her face and neck - and one half of her body (left arm and shoulder) showing clear signs of a purplish mottling, whilst the opposite right arm / shoulder did not?
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 11:40:AM »

Look, if Sheila's body was originally found in the position her body was captured in, how come they did not pay particular attention to a number of significant features, any one of which would surely raise 'a red flag' by anybodies standards? For example, with Sheila's body allegedly found in the suppine position on its back on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle, and the outer part of her upper / outer right arm resting partially underneath a Bible, there was a huge triangular shaped bloodstains upon the shoulder / armpit area on the nightdress she was wearing? Trails of blood ran in different directions on her face and neck - and one half of her body (left arm and shoulder) showing clear signs of a purplish mottling, whilst the opposite right arm / shoulder did not?

With Sheila's body presumably in the suppine position for several hours (if Jeremy Bamber be the killer), on the bedroom floor, how come blood inside the body of Sheila Caffell only drained to the lowest part of one half of her body (the upper left hand side of her body) rather than say all of her body from top half in the suppine position to the bottom part (all parts closest to the ground)?
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 11:41:AM »
Look here p!ease...
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Re: Mystery Solved - left handed Sheila did fire the Anshuzt rifle!
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2018, 11:47:AM »
What possible answer could police give for ignoring these more obvious signs that Sheila Caffell's body had been moved and that her death scene had been staged with the view of trying to pretend that she had committed suicide?
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