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Offline lookout

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2018, 06:52:PM »
If it's not a Doctor's job to estimate time of death, I doubt it's in SOCO's remit.






It's a critical question in any murder investigation-----what was the time of death.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2018, 06:56:PM »
It was a bog standard SOCO camera!






Oh it was a Brownie box then ? ::) I don't think. They NEED the clarity of a picture to investigate and magnify,not some grainy old pitted thing that shows spots where there aren't any.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2018, 07:11:PM »





It's a critical question in any murder investigation-----what was the time of death.

That may well be so, but unless SOCO have medical training, they're not qualified to say.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2018, 07:18:PM »
That may well be so, but unless SOCO have medical training, they're not qualified to say.






As I've already said Sheila's blood would have indicated the length of time she'd been dead and I feel sure that SOCO would have fathomed that one out without the need for rectal thermometers.

All the more reason why the forensic investigators SHOULD have been present-----but weren't.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2018, 07:21:PM »
SOCO will record times of death where/if relevant. Doubtless the information is entered on unseen records.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2018, 07:24:PM »





As I've already said Sheila's blood would have indicated the length of time she'd been dead and I feel sure that SOCO would have fathomed that one out without the need for rectal thermometers.

All the more reason why the forensic investigators SHOULD have been present-----but weren't.

That dreadful word SHOULD again! It seemed they didn't.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2018, 07:26:PM »
SOCO will record times of death where/if relevant. Doubtless the information is entered on unseen records.

When all else fails, apparently evidence exists on unseen records.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2018, 07:32:PM »
SOCO will record times of death where/if relevant. Doubtless the information is entered on unseen records.

Unseen is right because they reside in a fertile imagination.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2018, 07:34:PM »





Oh it was a Brownie box then ? ::) I don't think. They NEED the clarity of a picture to investigate and magnify,not some grainy old pitted thing that shows spots where there aren't any.

I see, now you're a photographic expert? No one other than you mentioned a box brownie - they certainly would NOT have used one of those but neither would they have used a top of the range model and Bird used one camera - the SAME camera for ALL photographs.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2018, 07:35:PM »
Unseen is right because they reside in a fertile imagination.






That's what you think. So SOCO carried out the WHF investigation without noting anything down ??

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2018, 07:36:PM »





As I've already said Sheila's blood would have indicated the length of time she'd been dead and I feel sure that SOCO would have fathomed that one out without the need for rectal thermometers.

All the more reason why the forensic investigators SHOULD have been present-----but weren't.

No it wouldn't.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2018, 07:38:PM »





That's what you think. So SOCO carried out the WHF investigation without noting anything down ??

They would have noted lots of things down, but not a half arsed attempt at guessing a time of death based on a method that you just made up.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2018, 07:39:PM »
No it wouldn't.






Yes it would----the volume of blood by her neck/shoulder. I've already explained how and why.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2018, 07:40:PM »





That's what you think. So SOCO carried out the WHF investigation without noting anything down ??

I haven't suggested such. All I said was that as they weren't medically qualified they wouldn't have guessed at a time of death. "Without noting anything down" is your distortion.

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Re: The Undisclosed - handwritten, 'SCENES OF CRIME REGISTER ENTRIES'
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2018, 07:41:PM »





Yes it would----the volume of blood by her neck/shoulder. I've already explained how and why.

No it wouldn't