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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2018, 11:20:PM »
Everything is falling into place. Thanks to Mike & Nigel -

Sheila had an accomplice. That man was Ralph Nevill.

Sheila & Ralph engaged in the fields a few hours before the massacre. Sheila was delivering sandwiches, Jeremy was on his tractor.

June was shot first.  A fully fit Nevill was then frog marched to the kitchen, to phone Jeremy & then Chelmsford police 16/26 minutes later.

The kitchen fight then took place. Nevill did not return upstairs.

Ralph slipped away unseen after realising the police were arriving before Jeremy.

As Mike said, the police shot Sheila.

This means Sheila & her accomplice just planned to kill 5 members of  her family. Sheila planned to surrender to the police.
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2018, 01:16:PM »
Whoever committed these terrible crimes------it WASN'T Jeremy !!

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2018, 04:28:PM »
That is the big question. 'Who did Sheila let into the farm house that night' ?

The scruffy looking, hunched man!
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2018, 12:21:PM »
Could this thread be merged with "Sheila and one other were responsible" or are they both claiming two distinct things?

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2018, 12:26:PM »
I suppose so really Steve.

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2018, 09:07:AM »
It has been suggested this month by Mike & Nigel, that Sheila had an accomplice.

Mike has suggested Ralph Bamber Ralph Neville, arrived at whf to work on the farm around the time that Sheila came to stay at the farmhouse for the last occasion! Ralph Neville left the UK on the morning of the shootings in a hurry..flew over from New Zealand South Friday.. & quickly flew back, as well as suggested a man called Jeff Blake. Jeff Blake's name came into the frame, by way of information supplied by a police informant...While Nigel suggested Sheila was grooming Helen Grimster in March 1985. Helen Grimshaw was a confidant of Sheila Caffell, she made a witness statement to Essex police confirming this and that...

Are there any other suggestions on who Sheila's accomplice could have been ?
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2018, 10:49:AM »
As Mike said, the police shot Sheila.

This means Sheila & her accomplice just planned to kill 5 members of  her family. Sheila planned to surrender to the police.

Yes, Sheila and her accomplice planned and executed the other four victims, with Jeremy being the intended fifth victim - however, since Jeremy did not rush to the scene alone, but instead informed the police and his girlfriend that the was something wrong at the farm, Jeremy was spared the ordeal of being shot and killed! Hence why Sheila and her accomplice only killed the other four! Now, as to who shot and killed Sheila, well the evidence that armed police were responsible for initially shooting Sheila downstairs in the kitchen during an initial confrontation with Sheila, where she was shot in the neck and mistakenly presumed dead, a death explained away at the time as a suicide (by 7.45am), is well documented by reference to the contents of timed police radio message log contents, relayed from inside the farmhouse from the firearm officers, via the forward control point and the occupants of CA07 who are recorded as being the people who dispatched this information over the police radio to the control room back at Chelmsford police station!!

Jeremy Bamber, nor I have made any of this up, it is a fact clearly documented in the police files!!!

Furthermore, by 8.10am, police records confirm that there were only three bodies found upstairs...

Sheila Caffell's body could not have been present anywhere upstairs until 'after' 8.10am, and no amount of lying on the part of Essex police can suffice to alter that fact - Sheila was already mistakenly presumed dead downstairs in the kitchen, hers was the female body mentioned in individually timed police radio message log contents, at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am! Just to recap for argument's sake and for the purpose of being precise, Sheila's was the female body referred to on each of these occasions, she was supposed to be dead, she had supposedly committed suicide, but most of all, and rather significantly, her death was described in these uniquely timed police radio transmissions secondly, after the body of one dead male was mentioned!!!

It is considered on to be highly relevant, that in all these timed police radio messages and transmissions that reference was initially made to the discovery, or the find of the body of one dead male, followed by reference to the discovery, or the find of the body of one dead female! One dead male, One dead female, a murder and a suicide!

All of this (7.35am to 7.45am) occurring prior to 8.10am, by which time a further three dead bodies found upstairs!

The sequence with which armed police discovered the bodies of victims once they got into the farmhouse shortly after 7.30am, is therefore of the utmost importance and significance!

Two dead bodies in the kitchen upon entry 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female' (7.37am), not the body of one dead male mistakenly identified as the body of one dead female, since in the very next breath in a message passed at 7.38am ' One dead male, One dead female'. Then as if to confirm that what cops who entered the under seige farmhouse had found or been met by, at 7.45am a civilian operator with the Christian name 'Linda' contacted DS Davidson at his home address, and requested that he come on duty to the office immediately because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and a suicide!

Now, it must be true, that by 7.45am (some 25 minutes prior to the raid team inside the farmhouse going upstairs and finding the other three bodies), the firearm officers had already found  or reported the discovery of two dead bodies, one dead male, one dead female, a murder, and a suicide! Not only were staff back in the control room aware that two bodies had been found by 7.45am, but rather more specifically that the two bodies in question had been reference to the bodies of Neville Bamber, and Sheila Caffell', where Neville Bambers death was being talked about in terms of his death being treated as a murder, and Sheila Caffell's death mistakenly being spoken about in terms of it having been suicide! All of this, known about by 7.45am, some 25 minutes to the next all important police radio message which was passed at precisely 8.10am - 'after a thorough search, a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in toral'!!!

Nothing could be clearer, the evidence is irrefutable, two bodies downstairs from 7.35am, onwards, the body of one dead male (Neville Bamber) and the body of one dead female (Sheila Caffell), a murder (Neville Bamber) and a suicide (Sheila Caffell), followed by at 8.10am the discovery of a further three bodies upstairs (the bodies of June Bamber, Nicholas Caffell and Daniel Caffell)...

At this juncture (8.10am) the firearms Operation Commander was PS Adams!

Then, the police operation went pearshaped, 'something extraordinary occurred' which the police at the scene had not bargained for - Sheila's body vanished from its original location downstairs in the kitchen!  The disappearance of Sheila's body from the kitchen as first alerted at 8.15am, caused a sudden change in leadership of the firearms operation, whereby PI Montgomery became the firearms Operation Commander (PS Adams demoted at 8.15am)...

From then on, the distribution regarding the body count downstairs (2) and upstairs (3), altered into only one body being downstairs ( Neville Bambers body) in the kitchen, and the other four bodies upstairs' (June Bamber, Sheila Caffell, Nicholas Caffell, and Daniel Caffell) in the bedrooms)...

The police are responsible for dishonestly presenting the facts regarding where each of the bodies of the five victims (collectively) were reported found to be present inside the farmhouse originally! Instead, they have presented the facts dishonestly by claiming that the bodies of the five victims were originally found where they ended up being placed after 8.15am, placed there by Senior police officers whilst performing an exercise known as 'informatives'...

Nothing could be clearer, the most distinguishing feature which I would suggest exposed the truth in this matter concerns the role of PS Adams and PI Montgomery who led the firearms operation at two different periods between 5am and say 9.00am, where PS Adams was the firearms Commander until 8.15am, however he was demoted and PI Montgomery became the Commander once the police operation inside the farmhouse went pearshaped because of the disappearance of Sheila's body from the kitchen, downstairs and the subsequent arrival of her body upstairs in time for the police surgeon, Dr Craig to pronounce Sheila as being dead at a time when her body was upstairs on the far side of the bed sporting what appeared to be only one bullet wound to her neck, with a rifle laying alongside her body!!!

Sheila's death, therefore, described as being present downstairs in the kitchen, hers being the second body found in sequence, her death also being referred to as a suicide by 7.45am, when PS Adams was the Commander of the firearms operation, and secondly, Sheila again being pronounced as being dead, this time by Dr Craig at 8.44am, her body being on the far side of the bed, with a rifle laid alongside her body, she only having what appeared to be a single bullet wound to her neck and PI Montgomery being the Commander of the firearms operation...

The key to resolving what really took place inside whf between 7.30am and let's say provisionally until 8.44am, will be discovered once the firearms logs held at DHQ are made available, which will contain full reports of how and for what reason the firearms officers were deployed to the scene and the duties performed throughout the entire armed police operation, as well as the reason why there became a change in leadership of the firearms operation at 8.15am?

More importantly, the identity of the firearms officer, or firearm officers, who called Sheila's death when her body had been present downstairs in the kitchen at, or between 7.35am and 7.45am, as referenced in the individually timed police radio contents and communications!

Ask yourselves, whether or not you believe that the police would make something up surrounding the death of a female by way of suicide downstairs in the kitchen, if there hadn't been a female body in the kitchen on those occasions (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am)?

There is no room for the ridiculous argument which has been put forward, concerning the possibility that police mistook the body of Neville Bamber for the body of a dead female, for the following reasons:-

(1) - this mistaken identity occurred when police officers were peering in through the kitchen window at a time when the armed police had not yet even entered the farmhouse, let alone got into the kitchen!

(2) - no sooner does the firearms officers enter the kitchen (7.35am), they report finding the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.37am), if the body seen from outside the kitchen window had been the body of Neville Bamber, and not the body of a woman, once the firearms team entered the kitchen there would not have been mention of two bodies being present inside the kitchen, for example, the body of one dead male, followed by, and the body of one dead female - reference to there being the body of one dead female that was present in the kitchen at that point would have been unnecessary!

(3) - a minute later (7.38am) One dead male, One dead female - this second police radio communication confirming that there had been two bodies present downstairs in the kitchen by that stage. The first being reference to the body of Neville Bamber, and the second being a reference to the body of Sheila Caffell..

(4) - four minutes later at 7.42am, a request made from the scene, for the police surgeon, the divisional Detective chief Inspector and the Coroner's Officer to attend the scene involving the discovery of two dead bodies - this can only have been reference to the bodies of Neville Bamber, and his daughter Sheila Caffell because the firearms team had not even finished searching the downstairs part of the farmhouse at this stage...

(5) - 'Linda' a civilian operator working in the control room at Chelmsford police station contacted DS Davidson (7.45am) at his home address, requesting that he come on duty to the office because police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving two bodies, a murder, and a suicide - well, there it is in clear unambiguous language, two bodies found, not one body, one of the bodies referred to as a murder, the other body mentioned being a supposed suicide (Neville Bamber, and Sheila Caffell') their deaths called long before the firearms officers inside the farmhouse had even got up the mainstairs around 8.10am...

It can clearly be shown that reference to their having been two bodies downstairs in the kitchen as per these time police radio message log contents and police communication logs, that there was no mix up involving only one dead body, mistakenly identified as a female body or vice versa, since how could anybody realistically describe Neville Bambers death as a suicide?

Well, there it is...

Sheila Caffell was alive when the firearms officers went into the farmhouse (7.30 /7.35am), but she ended up dead on the floor of her parents bedroom upstairs, in possession of a rifle which at the time the armed police entered the farmhouse had been resting against a first floor box room window (7.15am, or there abouts)!

How had 'that' rifle at the box room window, managed to find its way into the possession of Sheila Caffell's body on the parents bedroom floor, by the time police are saying they originally found her body in possession of 'it' within 40 minutes or so if the first part of the operation after entry had been gained into the property?

The police radio message log contents confirm that all five bodies had been found by 8.10am...

So, how did the rifle get from the box room window onto the body of Sheila Caffell on the parents bedroom floor by 8.10am?

If the cops aren't responsible for bringing that gun to Sheila's body, then I am afraid that it can lead to only one conclusion - Sheila must have still been alive after Jeapes' and Brown saw the rifle at the box room window, and she shot herself upstairs whilst the police were already inside the farmhouse!

What's it to be?

Cops shot and killed Sheila then staged her death scene as a suicide, despite evidence already existing and it being on record as her death having been described as a suicide when her body was downstairs in the kitchen (from as early as 7.45am), or did Sheila shoot herself dead after taking possession of the rifle from the box room window and after shooting herself she fell naturally into the position that she ended up being photographed in?

But...

If Sheila had taken possession of the rifle at the box room window when police entered the farmhouse, and she then went into her parents bedroom and shot herself dead, falling naturally into position in possession of the rifle, and sporting two bullet wounds to her neck, how was it possible for Sheila to roll onto her right hand side into the recovery position so that blood could pool in the fold of her right arm, and stain that part of her nightdress with her own blood, before rolling herself back into the suppine position still with the rifle clutched on top of her body and the muzzle end of the guns barrel in close proximity to the two wounds on her throat, and with the fingers of her right hand resting near to the trigger mechanism?

Surely, the rifle would have fell off her body once her body was placed into the recovery position upon it's right hand side, would'nt it?

And, surely her right hand would not have remained resting on top of the trigger mechanism, nor would the muzzle end of the rifles barrel have remained as if glued on her body during the rolling sequence involved when somebody put Sheila's body into the recovery position, and rolled 'it' back out of it!!!

Sheila Caffell could not possibly have shot and killed herself, and her body be rolled over into the recovery position and back into the supine position, and her right hand remain resting on the trigger mechanism nor could the muzzle end of the guns barrel have remained in the position shown in the police photographs! The only logical conclusion that anybody can come to was that police were responsible for shooting Sheila Caffell dead, and that they staged her death scene, the police placed Sheila Caffell's body in the recovery position upon it's right hand side, and then the police placed Sheila's body back into the suppine position, after which they then planted the rifle which had been used to kill her, onto her body to make it appear as though she had committed suicide!

Case 'SOLVED'...
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 11:23:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2018, 10:51:AM »
Here is a summary of outside influence suggestions Mike -

Crispy fired the second shot into Sheila.

Nevill may have said 'She' rather than 'Sheila' on the phone.

A hit man team carried out the massacre.

One of the relatives carried out the massacre.

Sheila and Bamber committed the massacre together.

The massacre was committed by a hunched figure seen in the area.

Sheila shot herself once downstairs and was then shot again upstairs by the police.

Someone had a grudge against Nevill, who was a part time magistrate.

Bamber couldn't have committed the massacre alone. So had an accomplice. Who this could have been has never been suggested.

A man called Jeff Blake committed the massacre.

Helen Grimster.

Ralph Nevill.

One of the farm workers living in one of the properties on WHF.

Sheila was shot twice by the police.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 10:55:AM by Adam »
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2018, 11:17:AM »
Here is a summary of outside influence suggestions Mike -

Crispy fired the second shot into Sheila. I beg your pardon, what? crispy shot Sheila? I don't think so!!!

Nevill may have said 'She' rather than 'Sheila' on the phone. Correct, and he could also have said 'he'..

A hit man team carried out the massacre. as suggested by Giovanni Dr Stefano in his article...

One of the relatives carried out the massacre. One of the relatives rifle, silencer, and ammunition was used in this shooting tragedy, and relatives and Essex police have lied about its presence at the scene at the material time!

Sheila and Bamber committed the massacre together. Jeremy had given shooting lessons to Sheila, which June Bamber spoke to her sister Pamela Boutflour about...

The massacre was committed by a hunched figure seen in the area. the hunched man could have been the accomplice...

Sheila shot herself once downstairs Shelagh did not shoot herself, he was shot in the kitchen during a struggle over possession of a rifle.. and was then shot again upstairs by the police. police have lied about where Sheila's body was originally pronounced as being dead, and she was eventually killed off by a bullet (PV/19) fired from a rifle which had been resting against the inside of a first floor box room window minutes before police claimed they found Sheila's body upstairs on the parents bedroom floor clutching that rifle - suggests in the strongest terms imaginable that police are responsible for Killing Sheila Caffell and staging her death scene as a suicide!

Someone had a grudge against Nevill, true, it's well documented, and also Peter Eaton thumped Neville Bamber over an argument about some land of his...who was a part time magistrate.

Bamber couldn't have committed the massacre alone. Bamber could not possibly have had anything to do with his sister's death, or staging her death scene asca suicide with the rifle from the first floor box room window.. So had an accomplice. Bamber isn't the killer, so he couldn't have had an accomplice..Who this could have been has never been suggested.

A man called Jeff Blake committed the massacre. Jeff Blake's name was put forward by a police informant as a possible suspect!

Helen Grimster. a confidant of Sheila Caffell who gave an insight into Sheila Caffell's odd behaviour and personality...

Ralph Nevill. he fled from South Africa wanted for questioning about the shooting of white farmers in that country, he arrived at whf to do casual work around the same time as Sheila, but fled the uK on the morning of the shootings...

One of the farm workers living in one of the properties on WHF. possession of two guns which were handed to Essex police after an appeal regarding the Bamber family massacre, one of these guns was capable of firing .22 ammunition, and the people who handed the weapons over refused to say who had given them the two guns!

Sheila was shot twice by the police. in the circumstances I have mentioned, yes the police were involved in both occasions that Sheila Caffell got shot...
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 11:43:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2018, 08:15:PM »
Thanks Mike.

It was Jeremy who suggested Crispy fired the second shot. As well as that Nevill may have said 'she' on the phone rather than Sheila. 

This was after the police suggested to him Sheila could not have fired her second shot.
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2018, 08:28:PM »
Thanks Mike.

It was Jeremy who suggested Crispy fired the second shot. As well as that Nevill may have said 'she' on the phone rather than Sheila. 

This was after the police suggested to him Sheila could not have fired her second shot.

I know this, but you incorrectly suggested that I had said that Crispy the dog had shot Sheila, which is absurd!

This is a forum that I set up to listen to everybodies opinion, with a view to exposing the truth in any given scenario...

I know with 100% certainty that Jeremy Bamber could not have shot his sister, and staged her death scene as a suicide on the parents bedroom floor, for the following reasons...
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 08:29:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2018, 08:38:PM »
(1) - how did Jeremy place the anshuzt rifle at the first floor box room window, andcsfyetwatds stage his sister's death scene on the parents bedroom floor after the firearms team entered the farmhouse at 7.30am, or even after 8.10am?

Everything points to the firearms officers having shot Sheila dead, on the floor of the parents bedroom, after 8.44am, when the police surgeon, Dr Craig had pronounced Sheila as being dead, her body being on the far side of the bed, with a solitary bullet wound to her neck, and Sheila's body having the rifle which had killed her, alongside her body...

There are those amongst us, who are trying to manipulate the truth, by suggesting that at 8.44am Sheila had already got two bullet entry wounds to her throat, for whatever reason! But, this cannot be true!!!
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« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2018, 08:41:PM »
(1) - how did Jeremy place the anshuzt rifle at the first floor box room window, andcsfyetwatds stage his sister's death scene on the parents bedroom floor after the firearms team entered the farmhouse at 7.30am, or even after 8.10am?

Everything points to the firearms officers having shot Sheila dead, on the floor of the parents bedroom, after 8.44am, when the police surgeon, Dr Craig had pronounced Sheila as being dead, her body being on the far side of the bed, with a solitary bullet wound to her neck, and Sheila's body having the rifle which had killed her, alongside her body...

There are those amongst us, who are trying to manipulate the truth, by suggesting that at 8.44am Sheila had already got two bullet entry wounds to her throat, for whatever reason! But, this cannot be true!!!

It cannot be true, because after 9.05am, when DS Stan Jones, and DC Mick Clark, visited the main bedroom the bodies of Sheila Caffell, and June Bamber were laid on the top of the bed side by side eachother with the gun on the bed, in-between both bodies, and that Sheila had by that stage got a Bible resting on top of her chest!!!
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2018, 08:44:PM »
How can anyone dismiss what DS Stan Jones has gone on record as saying, that Sheila's body was laid on top of the bed when he visited the main bedroom  after 9.05am, with a single bullet wound to her neck, by that stage?
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« Reply #59 on: June 23, 2018, 08:47:PM »
How can anyone dismiss what DS Stan Jones has gone on record as saying, that Sheila's body was laid on top of the bed when he visited the main bedroom  after 9.05am, with a single bullet wound to her neck, by that stage?

DS Jones account, matching the account given by the police surgeon, Dr Craig, that Sheila had only been shot once by 8.44am, and just after 9.05am according to DS Stan Jones...
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