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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #225 on: June 06, 2018, 05:03:PM »
The Cops shot Sheila Caffell dead, and tried to get away with promoting the idea that she had only been shot once in the neck! Cops told Ann Eaton and everyone who was present at Jeremy's cottage on the first morning of the tragedy, that Sheila was laid on top of the bed, shot once in the neck, a Bible on her chest, and the rifle which had been used to kill her was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber! When Julie Mugford' went along to Chelmsford Hospital Mortuary to formally identify Sheila's body, upon returning back to Jeremy's cottage she recounted that Sheila only had a single shot to her neck (so, obviously, by that stage, the presence of the second bullet wound to her neck had cleverly been disguised). At the opening of the inquest, the Coroner was told that Sheila had shot and killed the other four victims, before turning the gun upon herself and committing suicide by way of one shot to the neck!

The simple truth of the matter, is that once the suspicious relatives forced Essex Police to start a fresh Investigation with Jeremy Bamber as the chief suspect, it became necessary to deal with the fact that Sheila had in fact been shot twice, and this led to the creation of a Ballistical problem, because she had been shot by bullets which had been fired from two different guns! Hence, why one of the two bullets recovered from her body (PV/20) became transformed, from originally being described as a piece of badly fragmented bullet, which became transformed into a whole bullet, so that both of these bullets could be said to have been fired from the same gun! This is turn enabled the cops to try to conceal for the fact that Sheila was shot downstairs in the kitchen by the second gun and announced as being dead downstairs in the kitchen as per the timed police messages, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am!

Also linked is the fact that cops photographed the second rifle in a scenes of crime photograph that was taken whilst the second gun was still on display downstairs in the kitchen area..

Hence, why there exists a massive discrepancy concerning the body count downstairs and upstairs at different stages of the morning, for example between 7.35am and 8.10am, two bodies reportedly present downstairs in the kitchen, with the other three victims bodies upstairs in the bedrooms after 8.10am..

The witness statement version of the events being the vehicle by which the body count altered at some point after 8.10am, when Sheila Caffell's body found its way upstairs into her parents bedroom, at a time when she only sported one bullet wound which had been fired across her neck, a shot which had been fired by the rifle captured in at least one of the photographs that was taken downstairs in the kitchen - two versions therefore, exist giving contradictory information concerning the body count both upstairs and downstairs, 2 downstairs / 3 upstairs as per the timed police message log, versus 1 downstairs / 4 upstairs in the witness statement version of the events!
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #226 on: June 06, 2018, 05:12:PM »
The Cops shot Sheila Caffell dead, and tried to get away with promoting the idea that she had only been shot once in the neck! Cops told Ann Eaton and everyone who was present at Jeremy's cottage on the first morning of the tragedy, that Sheila was laid on top of the bed, shot once in the neck, a Bible on her chest, and the rifle which had been used to kill her was resting on the bed in-between the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber! When Julie Mugford' went along to Chelmsford Hospital Mortuary to formally identify Sheila's body, upon returning back to Jeremy's cottage she recounted that Sheila only had a single shot to her neck (so, obviously, by that stage, the presence of the second bullet wound to her neck had cleverly been disguised). At the opening of the inquest, the Coroner was told that Sheila had shot and killed the other four victims, before turning the gun upon herself and committing suicide by way of one shot to the neck!

The simple truth of the matter, is that once the suspicious relatives forced Essex Police to start a fresh Investigation with Jeremy Bamber as the chief suspect, it became necessary to deal with the fact that Sheila had in fact been shot twice, and this led to the creation of a Ballistical problem, because she had been shot by bullets which had been fired from two different guns! Hence, why one of the two bullets recovered from her body (PV/20) became transformed, from originally being described as a piece of badly fragmented bullet, which became transformed into a whole bullet, so that both of these bullets could be said to have been fired from the same gun! This is turn enabled the cops to try to conceal for the fact that Sheila was shot downstairs in the kitchen by the second gun and announced as being dead downstairs in the kitchen as per the timed police messages, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am!

Also linked is the fact that cops photographed the second rifle in a scenes of crime photograph that was taken whilst the second gun was still on display downstairs in the kitchen area..

Hence, why there exists a massive discrepancy concerning the body count downstairs and upstairs at different stages of the morning, for example between 7.35am and 8.10am, two bodies reportedly present downstairs in the kitchen, with the other three victims bodies upstairs in the bedrooms after 8.10am..

The witness statement version of the events being the vehicle by which the body count altered at some point after 8.10am, when Sheila Caffell's body found its way upstairs into her parents bedroom, at a time when she only sported one bullet wound which had been fired across her neck, a shot which had been fired by the rifle captured in at least one of the photographs that was taken downstairs in the kitchen - two versions therefore, exist giving contradictory information concerning the body count both upstairs and downstairs, 2 downstairs / 3 upstairs as per the timed police message log, versus 1 downstairs / 4 upstairs in the witness statement version of the events!

Bearing in mind that by 7.45am, police were talking in terms of only having found or located two bodies, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide - a scenario which only fits into the police radio message log version of the events involving SHEILA Caffell's demise! Hers can't possibly have been the second body mentioned in the witness statement version of the alleged events, except that once Sheila's body found its way from the kitchen downstairs, to the bedroom upstairs, only then resulted in four bodies being upstairs, and leaving one body downstairs!
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #227 on: June 06, 2018, 05:17:PM »
The police witness statement versions of the events are fabricated, since with Sheila's body being the only victim who's death could be regarded as a suicide being the second of the two bodies which were reported as found by 7.45am, she could not have been found secondly by reference to the contents of police witness statements, her body would have been found third in sequence!
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #228 on: June 06, 2018, 05:24:PM »
Did he not once say it was important to tell as much of the truth as possible? In this, he probably did, albeit there's no way of proving it. It IS possible, given how we're told Sheila was, that fostering -something she was more than used to- was spoken of. What's VERY unlikely is that she was threatened with losing her children/having them taken into care or whatever other sort of fait acomplis Jeremy is hinting took place. The children were in COLIN'S care. The Bambers had no rights over them. However, the police weren't to know that when Jeremy told them.
The problem is there is hearsay on both sides and no one knows if Jeremy said 'it is important to tell tell as much of the truth as possible' and even if he did say that it depends what context it was said in as to what he meant.  There are a few different interpretations of that sentence therefore although often quoted it proves nothing really.  Think if we question hearsay on one side of the arguemental as being unproven  we shold do so on the other too.  They seemed to use the word 'fostering' as meaning child care which causes confusion.  They apart entry did discuss day lily child care with someone in the village if I remember rightly.
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #229 on: June 06, 2018, 05:31:PM »
The problem is there is hearsay on both sides and no one knows if Jeremy said 'it is important to tell tell as much of the truth as possible' and even if he did say that it depends what context it was said in as to what he meant.  There are a few different interpretations of that sentence therefore although often quoted it proves nothing really.


Alright, let's suppose he never said it. However, he was in the position to tell police anything he wanted them to believe regarding the circumstances of the last hours he was at the farm. The police were in no position to question anything her said. What I've said MAY have happened is valid.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #230 on: June 06, 2018, 06:45:PM »
I imagine that JB had felt that he was betraying trusts being as his parents hadn't divulged much outside WHF by telling what was told or what he knew,even. They were a private family as we all know and certain things weren't openly discussed.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #231 on: June 06, 2018, 06:57:PM »
I imagine that JB had felt that he was betraying trusts being as his parents hadn't divulged much outside WHF by telling what was told or what he knew,even. They were a private family as we all know and certain things weren't openly discussed.

So saying Sheila was 'a nutter' is his way of keeping a confidence?
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #232 on: June 06, 2018, 07:05:PM »
I imagine that JB had felt that he was betraying trusts being as his parents hadn't divulged much outside WHF by telling what was told or what he knew,even. They were a private family as we all know and certain things weren't openly discussed.

Betraying trusts!!! Jeez! he couldn't have told the police much more about the family and Sheila's medical history if he'd tried. It doesn't sound as if they had to tease anything out of him.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #233 on: June 06, 2018, 07:29:PM »
So saying Sheila was 'a nutter' is his way of keeping a confidence?





He was talking their language.

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« Reply #234 on: June 06, 2018, 07:30:PM »
Betraying trusts!!! Jeez! he couldn't have told the police much more about the family and Sheila's medical history if he'd tried. It doesn't sound as if they had to tease anything out of him.





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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #235 on: June 06, 2018, 07:32:PM »




He was talking their language.

Their language? It was his language - his words and if he's uttering them, he's not keeping any confidence.
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #236 on: June 06, 2018, 07:46:PM »
Their language? It was his language - his words and if he's uttering them, he's not keeping any confidence.





Language that they'd understand rather than using medical terms.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #237 on: June 06, 2018, 07:55:PM »




Language that they'd understand rather than using medical terms.

Oh right. This is Jeremy's sensitive and caring side coming out, is it? Consideration for others' sensitivities............whilst slagging his sister off?

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« Reply #238 on: June 06, 2018, 08:29:PM »
Oh right. This is Jeremy's sensitive and caring side coming out, is it? Consideration for others' sensitivities............whilst slagging his sister off?





He wasn't slagging his sister off at all. It's you being neurotic.

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #239 on: June 06, 2018, 08:31:PM »
The " black flowers " saga was worse. It was really sick ! What sort of a person suggests that ?