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Offline Nigel

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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2018, 04:45:PM »
As I say, my money would be on Ralph Neville being Sheila Caffell's accomplice, he was involved in the shooting of white farmers in South Africa, that's why he fled to the UK, and that's why the farming Bamber family were shot and killed!

He just seems to have slipped out of the country, immediateky after the shootings in South Africa, and here in the UK and nobody has raised an eyebrow!

Alarm bells should have been ringing!

How many family murders was he suspected of having been involved in back in South Africa?

Was Ralph Neville, the hitman?
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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2018, 04:46:PM »
Was Ralph Neville, the hitman?

If he was 'X' he was...

did he know Sheil?
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2018, 04:47:PM »
Was there some kind of a pact made, involving Sheila, Ralph Neville, and or Jeremy?
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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2018, 04:50:PM »
It was a very bizarre 'suicide pact' that went wrong. ie one lived.

They either planned it as 'opening post', or 'X' bottled out.

Or both....
« Last Edit: May 06, 2018, 04:52:PM by Nigel »
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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2018, 04:51:PM »
Was there some kind of a pact made, involving Sheila, Ralph Neville, and or Jeremy?

I know I have mentioned this before, but on one occasion when I was a serving prisoner on B Wing at HMP Full Sutton, I once said to Jeremy that I believed that Sheila had not acted alone, I said, I think she had an accomplice, to which right out of the blue, Jeremy called me a fucking clever, bastard, he said, 'You fucking clever bastard'!..

It's always stuck with me, the way he just came out with that in that way...
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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2018, 04:52:PM »
Strikes me they were all crackers. This is what happens when you make money your God.

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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2018, 04:53:PM »
Strikes me they were all crackers. This is what happens when you make money your God.

Didn't AP go stark raving mad?
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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2018, 04:57:PM »
I know I have mentioned this before, but on one occasion when I was a serving prisoner on B Wing at HMP Full Sutton, I once said to Jeremy that I believed that Sheila had not acted alone, I said, I think she had an accomplice, to which right out of the blue, Jeremy called me a fucking clever, bastard, he said, 'You fucking clever bastard'!..

It's always stuck with me, the way he just came out with that in that way...

After this we used to discuss who was the most likeliest accomplice in the frame?

He became really convinced at one stage that Ralph Neville had been Sheila's accomplice, but he was forever claiming that his other relatives had all framed him in one way or another, so that they would all benefit from his parents estate(s), and grand mother Speakmans estate!
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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2018, 04:59:PM »
Didn't AP go stark raving mad?






Yes,he had some kind of a breakdown.

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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2018, 05:05:PM »
After this we used to discuss who was the most likeliest accomplice in the frame?

He became really convinced at one stage that Ralph Neville had been Sheila's accomplice, but he was forever claiming that his other relatives had all framed him in one way or another, so that they would all benefit from his parents estate(s), and grand mother Speakmans estate!

Ralph Neville could have fought with Neville Bamber in the kitchen, overpowered him, and finished him off!

Everything that the prosecution said that Jeremy had done, or could have done, Ralph Neville could have and did do!

I think the jury should have been told all about Ralph Neville, why he fled from South Africa, and end up at whf and fleeing the UK immediately after the shootings. Maybe, the shootings in the whf tragedy had been replicated back in South Africa? Seems like the authorities were neglectful in tracking Ralph Neville down, here in the UK after he fled the shootings in South Africa, and likewise after he fled the UK after the shootings at whf where he had been staying!

Was this why Special Branch took an involvement in the whf tragedy?
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« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2018, 05:15:PM »
Ralph Neville could have fought with Neville Bamber in the kitchen, overpowered him, and finished him off!

Everything that the prosecution said that Jeremy had done, or could have done, Ralph Neville could have and did do!

I think the jury should have been told all about Ralph Neville, why he fled from South Africa, and end up at whf and fleeing the UK immediately after the shootings. Maybe, the shootings in the whf tragedy had been replicated back in South Africa? Seems like the authorities were neglectful in tracking Ralph Neville down, here in the UK after he fled the shootings in South Africa, and likewise after he fled the UK after the shootings at whf where he had been staying!

Was this why Special Branch took an involvement in the whf tragedy?

Did Ralph Neville are you sure that was his name? as JEREMY's dad was 'RN' was this a 'nickname'?

Know Sheila?

If No

then I think SHEILA met 'X' while in Psychiatric hospital, or via drugs in Maida Vale, London.

They befriended, and had a common interest: the occult, tarot cards, Ouija boards, The devil, Good and Evil. and their relationship with God.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2018, 05:16:PM by Nigel »
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2018, 05:15:PM »
Ralph Neville could have fought with Neville Bamber in the kitchen, overpowered him, and finished him off!

Everything that the prosecution said that Jeremy had done, or could have done, Ralph Neville could have and did do!

I think the jury should have been told all about Ralph Neville, why he fled from South Africa, and end up at whf and fleeing the UK immediately after the shootings. Maybe, the shootings in the whf tragedy had been replicated back in South Africa? Seems like the authorities were neglectful in tracking Ralph Neville down, here in the UK after he fled the shootings in South Africa, and likewise after he fled the UK after the shootings at whf where he had been staying!

Was this why Special Branch took an involvement in the whf tragedy?

Was there something unique about the no. Of shots fired during the tragedy?

7 June
8 Neville
5 Daniel
3 Nicholas?

7 8 5 3
7 5 3 8
7 3 8 5
8 5 3 7
8 3 7 5
8 7 5 3
5 3 8 7
5 7 8 3
5 8 3 7
3 7 8 5
3 8 5 7
3 5 7 8

7th August 1985..
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2018, 05:18:PM »
Did Ralph Neville are you sure that was his name? as JEREMY's dad was 'RN' was this a 'nickname'?

Know Sheila?

If No

then I think SHEILA met 'X' while in Psychiatric hospital, or via drugs in Maida Vale, London.

They befriended, and had a common interest: the occult, tarot cards, Ouija boards, The devil, Good and Evil. and their relationship with God.

Jeremy said that Ralph Neville was one of Neville Bambers distant relatives, who was brought up in South Africa...

Maybe we should try to find out as much as we can about him!
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Re: Sheila and one other were responsible......
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2018, 05:19:PM »
Was there something unique about the no. Of shots fired during the tragedy?

7 June
8 Neville
5 Daniel
3 Nicholas?

7 8 5 3
7 5 3 8
7 3 8 5
8 5 3 7
8 3 7 5
8 7 5 3
5 3 8 7
5 7 8 3
5 8 3 7
3 7 8 5
3 8 5 7
3 5 7 8

7th August 1985..

were any of their relatives born in 1953 or 1935?
« Last Edit: May 06, 2018, 05:19:PM by Nigel »
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