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Offline Jon2

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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2018, 08:54:PM »


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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2018, 09:22:PM »
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk
   Do you believe that there is any connection between the Salisbury and Douma incidents?
    It seems the most plausible theory to me currently. Living through the "Information revolution" as we do, the world of espionage and international Realpolitik are laid bare and it is difficult for the government to control the narrative and information flow. It is like being in the midst of a le Carre novel.
    There are many outspoken, informed and honest commentators, as you are obviously aware, speaking out but you have to seek them out. Galloway has been superb on Talk Radio and Sputnik and is always worth a listen whether you agree with him or not.
    Craig Murray who you linked to has been the most thorough and informed source of information throughout this affair, as well as many others. It was he who first revealed through whistleblowers at Porton Down that the government were misleading the public with the Russian responsibility line. It was this pressure  on the scientists which led to the previously mentioned awkwardly worded statement. I am sure that you have read it already Jon but for the uninitiated the article is here:
 
     https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=of+a+type
     
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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2018, 09:24:PM »
   Do you believe that there is any connection between the Salisbury and Douma incidents?
    It seems the most plausible theory to me currently. Living through the "Information revolution" as we do, the world of espionage and international Realpolitik are laid bare and it is difficult for the government to control the narrative and information flow. It is like being in the midst of a le Carre novel.
    There are many outspoken, informed and honest commentators, as you are obviously aware, speaking out but you have to seek them out. Galloway has been superb on Talk Radio and Sputnik and is always worth a listen whether you agree with him or not.
    Craig Murray who you linked to has been the most thorough and informed sources of information throughout this affair, as well as many others. It was he who first revealed through whistleblowers at Porton Down that the government were misleading the public with the Russian responsibility line. It was this pressure  on the scientists which led to the previously mentioned awkwardly worded statement. I am sure that you have read it already Jon but for the uninitiated the article is here:
 
     https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=of+a+type
     
He has taken Putin's rouble and as such is not an impartial observer.

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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2018, 09:30:PM »
He has taken Putin's rouble and as such is not an impartial observer.
   Steve, you have nothing to offer this debate and are way out of your depth. Your responses are pathetic, you fail to engage properly and basically are reduced to just shouting insults from the sidelines.
   
   

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« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2018, 09:44:PM »
He has taken Putin's rouble and as such is not an impartial observer.

Maybe Peter Hitchens is more your thing Steve , listen carefully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3RVaeHR__E&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2018, 09:44:PM »
Do you believe that there is any connection between the Salisbury and Douma incidents?  It seems the most plausible theory to me currently.

Yes.  It became obvious from the moment the 'chemical attack' took place in Douma. 

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« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2018, 09:59:PM »
Yes.  It became obvious from the moment the 'chemical attack' took place in Douma.

Care to expand ?


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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2018, 10:06:PM »
Maybe Peter Hitchens is more your thing Steve , listen carefully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3RVaeHR__E&feature=youtu.be
Peter Hitchens? You mean the Tory who backed policies which destroyed family life in the 1980s and who bleats on ever since how family life has been destroyed?

I will give it a listen though..
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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2018, 10:11:PM »
    Your findings from your own research offer a very simple choice of scenarios and this perhaps reflects the amount of time your "research" has taken.
    If you followed world events in real time through a number of lenses you would already have a coherent and more credibly backed view.
    If you believe it is obvious that Russia are responsible then you need to open your mind. International espionage is not an exclusively Russian enterprise. There are any number of intelligence agencies somewhat pissed off at Russia's resurgence in the global picture, especially their support of the Syrian government.
    The intelligence agencies of the UK, US, Saudi, Israel plus others have motives for discrediting Russia.
Syria with Russia's help have all but defeated the jihadist terrorists funded, armed and supported by the above in an attempt to overthrow Assad.
    Russia have no real credible motive for attempting to murder Skripal. He was released and pardoned by them years earlier and could have been sentenced to death for treason when convicted.
    If you want to do some research, David, may I suggest you look into Pablo Miller. He was/is Sergei Skripal's MI6 handler and currently works for Orbis, a shadowy intelligence company and most likely a MI6 front.
    Interestingly a "d notice" was issued by the government in the immediate aftermath of Salisbury censoring the media from identifying Pablo Miller. Christopher Steele of the "steele dossier" infamy is a founding director of Orbis.
    I do not claim to know who was responsible for Salisbury and there are any number of suspects in the frame but the Russians are nowhere on the list realistically.
   The Pablo Miller/ Christopher Steele connection is an interesting one especially when allied with the knowledge that this is the connection that the government have "d noticed".

Hopefully Skripal will recover well and the investigation will continue further.

Novichok is supposed to be five times as deadly as standard nerve agent. So the fact the target survived and is recovering could well lend credence to the idea that it was from an old stockpile in the early stages of degradation? But that's for experts to decide on. We will have to wait and see.

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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2018, 10:15:PM »
Peter Hitchens? You mean the Tory who backed policies which destroyed family life in the 1980s and who bleats on ever since how family life has been destroyed?

I will give it a listen though..
I do apologize Steve .

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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2018, 10:39:PM »
Yes.  It became obvious from the moment the 'chemical attack' took place in Douma.
   I believe that a real chemical weapons incident was meant to take place. There seems little doubt that the whole Douma incident however involved no chemical weapons, as your inverted commas imply.
    Did you watch the Russian OPCW press conference with the 17 Syrian witnesses. The reaction of the British press was hilarious and enlightening. Talk of "parading witnesses" and "obscene masquerade" replacing any reportage of the testimony of self evidently credible witness testimony.
    The questions asked by the British press with their open accusations of lying and nasty insinuations at the end of the press conference betrays their agenda.
     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKil4rhDFW8

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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #88 on: April 29, 2018, 10:55:PM »
Hopefully Skripal will recover well and the investigation will continue further.

Novichok is supposed to be five times as deadly as standard nerve agent. So the fact the target survived and is recovering could well lend credence to the idea that it was from an old stockpile in the early stages of degradation? But that's for experts to decide on. We will have to wait and see.
   David, it is well worth clicking on to some of the links posted by myself, Jon and Roch. The UK government narrative has frankly fallen apart. The continued blackout of any witnesses, participants and victims should be setting off alarm bells for anyone. The whereabouts and well being of the Skripals we are to take on trust and DS Bailey has disappeared into the memory hole. How do you see nothing sinister in any of this?
   The theory that the novichok is from old Soviet stock has no credence whatsoever. You need to look further than just looking for ways the "Russians" did it. There are plenty of credible and informative links on this thread.

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Re: Is the BBC totally compromised?
« Reply #89 on: April 29, 2018, 11:20:PM »
   The theory that the novichok is from old Soviet stock has no credence whatsoever.

You have not provided any tangible evidence to refute it. You simply don't like the idea.

What are the component chemicals of Novichok and what are their shelf life? You have not answered this and I doubt anyone could.

Russia not only has the means means, motive and opportunity but also has this mode of operating.

Only two contries have ever been known to make it. Russia and Iran.

Who is your alternative suspect and how did they optain the toxin?