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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #105 on: October 08, 2017, 09:29:PM »
I cant wait for Jane J to back this up with evidence.
It's either Sheila or Jeremy because of the alleged telephone call. If you can figure out how a young woman who was walking stiffly at Vaulty Manor, with no seeming movement in her head or trunk at half past three ,was reported as "vague and distant" in the Tiptree shop with smudged lipstick on her teeth some time later, was described as "like a zombie" by Pamela at 10:00pm could turn into Wonderwoman then I'd like to hear it.
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #106 on: October 08, 2017, 09:38:PM »
It's either Sheila or Jeremy because of the telephone call. If you can figure out how a young woman who was walking stiffly at Vaulty Manor, with no seeming movement in her head or trunk at half past three ,was reported as "vague and distant" in the Tiptree shop with smudged lipstick on her teeth some time later, was described as "like a zombie" by Pamela at 10:00pm could turn into Wonderwoman then I'd like to hear it.

Do you have a link to the Tiptree shop keepers statement ?

Or at least his name please ...

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #107 on: October 08, 2017, 09:41:PM »
Do you have a link to the Tiptree shop keepers statement ?

Or at least his name please ...
His name is Barry Parker. I also noted in the book that June's aunt Connie Lugg had told fellow bible class member Audrey Childs that June wouldn't be attending that Tuesday night because of the arrival of Sheila and the twins.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #108 on: October 08, 2017, 09:43:PM »
It's either Sheila or Jeremy because of the telephone call. If you can figure out how a young woman who was walking stiffly at Vaulty Manor, with no seeming movement in her head or trunk at half past three ,was reported as "vague and distant" in the Tiptree shop with smudged lipstick on her teeth some time later, was described as "like a zombie" by Pamela at 10:00pm could turn into Wonderwoman then I'd like to hear it.

Steve... might that not be a pre-psychotic stage?  A kind of brooding build up to an unforeseen explosion of rage and determination?

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #109 on: October 08, 2017, 09:45:PM »
Steve... might that not be a pre-psychotic stage?  A kind of brooding build up to an unforeseen explosion of rage and determination?
Well that's possible but then you have to consider her physical frailty vis-a-vis having to race downstairs to reload after the discharge of the first ten bullets.
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #110 on: October 08, 2017, 09:47:PM »
Steve... might that not be a pre-psychotic stage?  A kind of brooding build up to an unforeseen explosion of rage and determination?

No, indeed not. Lookout is now convinced that she wasn't psychotic.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #111 on: October 08, 2017, 09:48:PM »
Steve... might that not be a pre-psychotic stage?  A kind of brooding build up to an unforeseen explosion of rage and determination?

I see this as perfectly possible - people can change dramatically during psychotic attacks - and nearly all the shots were actually from less than 2 foot ... and it is not impossible she took some cocaine after dinner which would have enhanced her physical reactions etc ...

With the element of surprise on her side would she have had to be that on the ball to pull it off anyway ?

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #112 on: October 08, 2017, 09:50:PM »
Well that's possible but then you have to consider her physical frailty vis-a-vis having to race downstairs to reload after the discharge of the first ten bullets.

Why would she have had to race if the children were asleep - June was badly injured and so was Neville ?

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #113 on: October 08, 2017, 09:53:PM »
It's either Sheila or Jeremy because of the alleged telephone call. If you can figure out how a young woman who was walking stiffly at Vaulty Manor, with no seeming movement in her head or trunk at half past three ,was reported as "vague and distant" in the Tiptree shop with smudged lipstick on her teeth some time later, was described as "like a zombie" by Pamela at 10:00pm could turn into Wonderwoman then I'd like to hear it.

She had a gun and was known to go in and out of rages
We've been over this a thousand times
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #114 on: October 08, 2017, 09:54:PM »
Why would she have had to race if the children were asleep - June was badly injured and so was Neville ?

Because she was a mother. Because there was horror all around her and she'd have needed to see that her children weren't touched or frightened by it.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #115 on: October 08, 2017, 09:57:PM »
She had a gun and was known to go in and out of rages
We've been over this a thousand times

Prove she had a gun. There was a gun there, certainly. Conveniently left there by Jeremy, however, there's no one who can say, with any truth that Sheila had it, nor do we have documented the "rages" you have her going in an out of.
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #116 on: October 08, 2017, 09:59:PM »
She had a gun and was known to go in and out of rages
We've been over this a thousand times

I don't recall you EVER having posted about this before

Where is it stated Sheila went "in and out of rages?"

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2017, 10:01:PM »
I don't recall you EVER having posted about this before

Where is it stated Sheila went "in and out of rages?"

With Freddie in Maida Vale ?

And it was not the first time that Neville had been called to calm her down ...

To be fair ...

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2017, 10:06:PM »
With Freddie in Maida Vale ?

And it was not the first time that Neville had been called to calm her down ...

To be fair ...

She was psychotic -don't tell Lookout, though- so that can hardly be called a rage. More fear, I'd say.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2017, 10:08:PM »
Why would she have had to race if the children were asleep - June was badly injured and so was Neville ?
No Nevill made his way downstairs somehow..