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Offline Adam

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Another new video.
« on: August 11, 2017, 06:43:PM »
https://youtu.be/HHAnLJOIw7k

Is this one a record, at over 26 minutes.

Hopefully Mike's next video will be more effective.
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 08:15:PM »
https://youtu.be/HHAnLJOIw7k

Is this one a record, at over 26 minutes.

Hopefully Mike's next video will be more effective.
Though informative the whole premise is dubious to say the least, because Jeremy forfeited all the assets when he murdered his family.

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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 10:46:PM »
Though informative the whole premise is dubious to say the least, because Jeremy forfeited all the assets when he murdered his family.

Please, desist from speaking unfathomable truths concerning something which Jeremy Bamber certainly did not do!

He did not shoot his sister at 7.35am, or at 9.13am!

He did not stage her death on the bedroom floor, so that the second team of SOCO ( PC Bird) could photograph Sheila's body in possession of the family anshuzt rifle from 10 am, onwards, depicting her 'suicide'...

Let's not forget the following state of affairs...

By 7.45am, 'Linda', a civilian employee who worked in the control room at 'the material time' (7.45am) contacted DS Davidson (member of SOCO team which took control of the crime scene in the main bedroom of the farmhouse from 10am, onward), and she requested that 'he' come on duty to the office, because police were dealing with an incident at whf, involving two bodies, a murder, and 'suicide'..

The first two bodies, in keeping with the contents of police radio message log, and other police documentation, describes the discovery of two bodies 'on entry to the kitchen'! The first body described as a murder, the second body, described as 'a suicide'. Nothing could be any clearer, this was not a 'mistaken identification' which started off with PC Collins reporting the sighting of a body he believed to be the body of a female from the vantage point of him being outside the kitchen window looking into the kitchen itself! A mistake which in a 'composite statement' made in his name by 'another' he supposedly rectified once he entered the kitchen! Oh, no...

Since, no-one could be mistaken about the manner of the nature of Neville Bambers death, he received a ratio of eight bullet wounds, hardly qualifying his death, as 'a suicide'...

The second body reportedly found upon entry was a suicide, not a murder!

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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 11:03:PM »
Please, desist from speaking unfathomable truths concerning something which Jeremy Bamber certainly did not do!

He did not shoot his sister at 7.35am, or at 9.13am!

He did not stage her death on the bedroom floor, so that the second team of SOCO ( PC Bird) could photograph Sheila's body in possession of the family anshuzt rifle from 10 am, onwards, depicting her 'suicide'...

Let's not forget the following state of affairs...

By 7.45am, 'Linda', a civilian employee who worked in the control room at 'the material time' (7.45am) contacted DS Davidson (member of SOCO team which took control of the crime scene in the main bedroom of the farmhouse from 10am, onward), and she requested that 'he' come on duty to the office, because police were dealing with an incident at whf, involving two bodies, a murder, and 'suicide'..

The first two bodies, in keeping with the contents of police radio message log, and other police documentation, describes the discovery of two bodies 'on entry to the kitchen'! The first body described as a murder, the second body, described as 'a suicide'. Nothing could be any clearer, this was not a 'mistaken identification' which started off with PC Collins reporting the sighting of a body he believed to be the body of a female from the vantage point of him being outside the kitchen window looking into the kitchen itself! A mistake which in a 'composite statement' made in his name by 'another' he supposedly rectified once he entered the kitchen! Oh, no...

Since, no-one could be mistaken about the manner of the nature of Neville Bambers death, he received a ratio of eight bullet wounds, hardly qualifying his death, as 'a suicide'...

The second body reportedly found upon entry was a suicide, not a murder!

Let's get the facts right, or at least I shall spell it out for all those of you who pretend you can't recognise the truth even when it stairs you all 'right in the face'...

If we go by the explanation offered in the 'composite version's of PC Collins witness statement, he identifies a body in the kitchen which he states is the body of a dead female, but once he enters the kitchen, he realises the body he saw was infact the body of Neville Bamber (male)! If this were remotely true, which I suggest is 'not', once entry was made to the kitchen, cops would not report finding the body of one dead female, and the body of one dead male (7.35am, and 7.37am), cops would not be reporting at 7.38am, ' one dead male, one dead female', at 7.42am, 'Can someone contact the Coroner's officer and the police surgeon, regarding the discovery of two bodies, at 7.45am 'Linda' in the control room having the benefit of police intelligence from all sources, would not be contacting DS Davidson at his home address, requesting him to come on duty to the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and 'a suicide', if there was only one body discovered by that stage!

Neville Bambers death could only ever be described, as a murder, not a suicide!

June Bambers death, likewise, could only be described as 'a murder', not a suicide!

The deaths of the two child victims could only be described as 'murder', not suicides!

The only death which could remotely be described as 'a suicide', was the death of Sheila Caffell (but she did not take her own life)!!



« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 11:05:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 11:05:PM »
Well I think a Police Officer peered through the kitchen window, saw Nevill's straggly hair and mistook him for a woman. As for the murder weapon it was stiff, so very unlikely to discharge accidentally and even more unwieldy for Sheila to use successfully.

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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 11:06:PM »
Let's get the facts right, or at least I shall spell it out for all those of you who pretend you can't recognise the truth even when it stairs you all 'right in the face'...

If we go by the explanation offered in the 'composite version's of PC Collins witness statement, he identifies a body in the kitchen which he states is the body of a dead female, but once he enters the kitchen, he realises the body he saw was infact the body of Neville Bamber (male)! If this were remotely true, which I suggest is 'not', once entry was made to the kitchen, cops would not report finding the body of one dead female, and the body of one dead male (7.35am, and 7.37am), cops would not be reporting at 7.38am, ' one dead male, one dead female', at 7.42am, 'Can someone contact the Coroner's officer and the police surgeon, regarding the discovery of two bodies, at 7.45am 'Linda' in the control room having the benefit of police intelligence from all sources, would not be contacting DS Davidson at his home address, requesting him to come on duty to the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and 'a suicide', if there was only one body discovered by that stage!

Neville Bambers death could only ever be described, as a murder, not a suicide!

June Bambers death, likewise, could only be described as 'a murder', not a suicide!

The deaths of the two child victims could only be described as 'murder', not suicides!

The only death which could remotely be described as 'a suicide', was the death of Sheila Caffell (but she did not take her own life)!!

I base all my conclusions upon the truth, as known by me at a given point in time...
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 11:13:PM »
Well I think a Police Officer peered through the kitchen window, saw Nevill's straggly hair and mistook him for a woman. As for the murder weapon it was stiff, so very unlikely to discharge accidentally and even more unwieldy for Sheila to use successfully.

For your explanation to be true, why after cops entered the kitchen, did they mention 'two bodies in the kitchen', the 'body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female' (7.37am), 'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am), 'can someone contact the Coroner's officer, and the police surgeon regarding two bodies' (7.42am), 'a murder', and 'a suicide' (7.45am), and only 'three bodies upstairs' by 8.10am?

If you explanation was a truthful one, there would have only been 'one body in the kitchen' (a murder), and 'four bodies upstairs' by 8.10am!

Let us not forget that everything the cops did when they entered the kitchen was being monitored via the '999' open link which the operator had patched through to the police control room at 6.09am, an eavesdrop which lasted from 'them'bury all the way through until 7.47am (which incidentally covers the same period as the contents of the police radio message log contents, 7.35 am, 7.37am, 7.38am, and 7.42am! With this in mind, why would 'Linda' a civilian employee based in the control room at 7.45am, contact DS Davidson at his home address, and tell him that police are dealing with an incident at whf involving 'two bodies', not one? Why would 'Linda' by telling DS Davidson about two bodies, a murder, and a 'suicide', if there was only one body in cops radar by that (7.45am) stage? And why by 8.10am, only refer to the presence of a further three bodies upstairs, it in fact there were a total of four?

There are too many contradictions in the police witness statement accounts, where they present the discovery of the five bodies at a ratio of one body downstairs (Neville Bamber), and four bodies upstairs (the other four), and for the second body found to be reported as 'Suicide', since the earliest Sheila Caffells body could have been found in that fictitious sequence was 'third', not second!

More importantly, why is it that in the composite versions of 'these cops' witness statements, they don't refer to the times they 'did this, that and the other'?

But that is not what the police records tell us!
« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 11:37:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 11:15:PM »
For your explanation to be true, why after cops entered the kitchen, did they mention two bodies in the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.37am), one dead male, one dead female (7.38am), can someone contact the Coroner's officer, and the police surgeon regarding two bodies (7.42am), a murder, and 'a suicide' (7.45am), and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am?

If you explanation was a truthful one, there would have only been one body in the kitchen (a murder), and four bodies upstairs by 8.10am!

But that is not what the police records tell us!

Poor Jeremy Bamber had no input into any of these police messages that were being passed back and forth from inside the farmhouse, to the forward control point, and the control room...
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 11:38:PM »
For your explanation to be true, why after cops entered the kitchen, did they mention 'two bodies in the kitchen', the 'body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female' (7.37am), 'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am), 'can someone contact the Coroner's officer, and the police surgeon regarding two bodies' (7.42am), 'a murder', and 'a suicide' (7.45am), and only 'three bodies upstairs' by 8.10am?

If you explanation was a truthful one, there would have only been 'one body in the kitchen' (a murder), and 'four bodies upstairs' by 8.10am!

Let us not forget that everything the cops did when they entered the kitchen was being monitored via the '999' open link which the operator had patched through to the police control room at 6.09am, an eavesdrop which lasted from 'them'bury all the way through until 7.47am (which incidentally covers the same period as the contents of the police radio message log contents, 7.35 am, 7.37am, 7.38am, and 7.42am! With this in mind, why would 'Linda' a civilian employee based in the control room at 7.45am, contact DS Davidson at his home address, and tell him that police are dealing with an incident at whf involving 'two bodies', not one? Why would 'Linda' by telling DS Davidson about two bodies, a murder, and a 'suicide', if there was only one body in cops radar by that (7.45am) stage? And why by 8.10am, only refer to the presence of a further three bodies upstairs, it in fact there were a total of four?

There are too many contradictions in the police witness statement accounts, where they present the discovery of the five bodies at a ratio of one body downstairs (Neville Bamber), and four bodies upstairs (the other four), and for the second body found to be reported as 'Suicide', since the earliest Sheila Caffells body could have been found in that fictitious sequence was 'third', not second!

More importantly, why is it that in the composite versions of 'these cops' witness statements, they don't refer to the times they 'did this, that and the other'?

But that is not what the police records tell us!

Start with the truth, the rest will take care of itself...
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2017, 11:40:PM »
Well I think a Police Officer peered through the kitchen window, saw Nevill's straggly hair and mistook him for a woman. As for the murder weapon it was stiff, so very unlikely to discharge accidentally and even more unwieldy for Sheila to use successfully.
. But they said one male first . And if they had not discovered Sheila's body until later upstairs why did they say suicide ? That is what mike is saying .

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2017, 11:40:PM »
You can't always win every argument, every battle, every court case, or whatever, but what you can do even when things go against you is 'stick to the truth'! Never deviate from the truth as known by yourself! In a corrupt Criminal justice system you are bound to be on the receiving end of a miscarriage of justice, or whatever, but you have got to persevere no matter how long it takes to get to the truth of the matter!
« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 11:44:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2017, 11:45:PM »
. But they said one male first . And if they had not discovered Sheila's body until later upstairs why did they say suicide ? That is what mike is saying .
Well I thought they might have seen June's body lying in the doorway when they looked through the hand-held mirror. I think it was just a cock-up more than conspiracy.

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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2017, 11:48:PM »
Well I thought they might have seen June's body lying in the doorway when they looked through the hand-held mirror. I think it was just a cock-up more than conspiracy.

So why say one male one female did the body morph into two?

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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2017, 12:08:AM »
. But they said one male first . And if they had not discovered Sheila's body until later upstairs why did they say suicide ? That is what mike is saying .

You have 'hit the nail on the head', Jan..

If we go by the cops composite witness statement scenario, created, edited, for them by some faceless, nameless, cop or force solicitor (like in the Hillsboro' tragedy cover up), the sequence with which the bodies of the three adult victims were stumbled upon or found and discovered, was as follows: -

Neville Bamber in kitchen
June Bamber in main bedroom on floor by bedroom door
Sheila Caffell in main bedroom on floor to left hand side of bed (as viewed from vantage point of standing at the foot of the bed)

Clearly, June Bambers death (shot seven times) could not be described as 'a suicide', her death could only be described as a murder! Her body, therefore, could not have been the second body found, discovered, or reported, in keeping with the contents of police radio message logs (between 7.35am and 7.45am)! Furthermore, if Sheila's body had been found upstairs in the main bedroom as detailed in the cop composite versions of their witness statements, then by 8.10am there would have been reported four bodies upstairs, not three! The fact that there were two firearm operations at the scene during this particular tragedy tells it's own story! First firearm operation led by PS Adams (5am until 8.10am). Second firearm operation led by PI Montgomery (8.10am until 10am). Two different SOCO teams, first compromising of DC Oakey and DC Henderson, who photographed and videod the crime scene extensively between 9am and 10am! The second SOCO team, compromising of DI Cop, PC Bird, DS Davidson and DC Hammersley, photographed the residual crime scene after 10 O'clock, once senior officers had tampered with the bodies of victims and various exhibits!

My explanation is accurate!

Many of the missing 358 photographic images from the 'Master Copy' album (consisting of only 223 photographs) were images taken at the scene, by the first SOCO team (Oakey and Henderson), before, during, and after senior officers performed 'informatives' between 9am and 10am, that first morning!!!

The roles played by the first SOCO team, and senior officers, in the movement of bodies and exhibits prior to the handing over of the staged crime scene to the second team of SOCO after 10 o'Clock was suppressed so that Jeremy Bamber could be prosecuted as the killer of his sister and the other four victims, of staging her death scene despite cops knowing that such a suggestion was totally untrue, and impossible!
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Re: Another new video.
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2017, 12:26:AM »
Well I thought they might have seen June's body lying in the doorway when they looked through the hand-held mirror. I think it was just a cock-up more than conspiracy.

So, in this explanation June's body was upstairs by the main bedroom door that cops saw or identified by use of a mirror device? Interesting, albeit the 7.37am police log refers, ' the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, found upon entry to kitchen'!

How could June Bambers body laid upstairs at the main bedroom door, be described as having been found upon entry to the kitchen by 7.37am? And within 8 minutes (7.45am) the second body stumbled upon be described as 'a suicide' considering that in your scenario June Bambers body would be the second body in the grand scheme of things to be reported as ’found', and her death be described as 'a suicide' despite her body being riddled with no fewer that seven shots, one of which was bang smack in-between her eyes!!!

If June's was the second body found in the actual sequence of events, the first two bodies would have been described as two murders (Neville shot a total of eight times, June shot seven times)! Sheila's apparent suicide would surely have been the third body stumbled upon, not the second!

The truth behind this matter rests with the change in leadership of the firearms operation after 8.10am where it changed from PS Adams to PI Montgomery! PS Adams left the scene shortly after 9am and was not present at the scene when senior officers performed 'informatives' between around 9am and 10 am, but PI Montgomery, was!
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