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Offline Steve_uk

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Lookout I would imagine Julie will have days when she has flashbacks to that time in her life she may have emotions of guilt or sadness or knows but she is bound to relive it if she helped to put an innocent man to prison for life she could have convinced herself he was guilty.  I am sure her family will have some knowledge of the trial just like Colin's family do.

She's already paid a mental price and it's now time to leave her alone.

http://youknowwhokilledyoudontyou.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/julie-mugford-afraid-for-her-life.html

Offline Jane J

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It's a good job I am as I won't tolerate those who walk over others,especially in these days of incompitencies and gormless people.
I never look to fight anyone unless it's called for,but I wouldn't use the word " fight ". Support in this case and many other areas where I can offer input where there's been an injustice.

I think you've made Julie a scapegoat. You appear not to see anything wrong with Jeremy and seem to see him as a naive boy, whilst Jackie has referred to him a "a gorgeous, fit boy". You both lumped on her every bit of blame you can both muster. You say everything she said was lies. She says Jeremy told her everything she said and she just repeated it. You seem to think that a 20 year old made a cuckold of the whole of the Essex Police force. I do NOT believe she was that powerful..................but I DO believe she realized there'd be no help coming from Jeremy and she set out to save her own skin.

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I think you've made Julie a scapegoat. You appear not to see anything wrong with Jeremy and seem to see him as a naive boy, whilst Jackie has referred to him a "a gorgeous, fit boy". You both lumped on her every bit of blame you can both muster. You say everything she said was lies. She says Jeremy told her everything she said and she just repeated it. You seem to think that a 20 year old made a cuckold of the whole of the Essex Police force. I do NOT believe she was that powerful..................but I DO believe she realized there'd be no help coming from Jeremy and she set out to save her own skin.





First of all I'm of a different era to Jackie so will see things that bit different so far as a person's character,etc,and tend not to go by how a person looks but by their overall persona more or less compared to others of his age at that time.

As for Julie,she was the crafty/cunning one who,because she didn't have the " power " to stand tall and tell the truth,sat back and allowed EP to do everything for her which she was quite happy to go along with.
As for Jeremy not having " helped her ?",it was the other way around,she certainly did him no favours,turning tail and falling-in with what EP had to offer.She betrayed Jeremy big time-------and KNEW it ! Only the thought of big bucks at the end of the trial kept her going,nothing else.  EP had put the words into her mouth and she was more than happy to go along with it.This is where her crafty/cunning side came in and when she was on the stand for the defence,the " favourite " act--------the tears !
She had no problem on the prosecution side ? She KNEW what she was doing and what she HAD to do.

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As I have already said, the defence did try to raise this at trial, but were prevented from taking it further because of Julie Mugford's lies about the matter.  The defence tried to raise it again at the 2002 appeal as they had further information, but the Court of Appeal would not grant the order for third party disclosure requested.  There has more recently been further evidence relating to this which could form part of a future appeal.

I am not sure how the NOTW approaching Julie mid trial & offering a conditional post trial story fee, makes Bamber innocent. She had already told 5 people & then approached the police to give a 24 page WS.

It would be very surprising if both the NOTW & Julie's lawyers had illegally signed documents prematurely. Lawyers are employed to ensure this does not happen. However if evidence has surfaced of this, it will be logical that a release on a technicality will be attempted.
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Offline JackieD

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I think you've made Julie a scapegoat. You appear not to see anything wrong with Jeremy and seem to see him as a naive boy, whilst Jackie has referred to him a "a gorgeous, fit boy". You both lumped on her every bit of blame you can both muster. You say everything she said was lies. She says Jeremy told her everything she said and she just repeated it. You seem to think that a 20 year old made a cuckold of the whole of the Essex Police force. I do NOT believe she was that powerful..................but I DO believe she realized there'd be no help coming from Jeremy and she set out to save her own skin.

I think you've made Julie a scapegoat. You appear not to see anything wrong with Jeremy and seem to see him as a naive boy, whilst Jackie has referred to him a "a gorgeous, fit boy". You both lumped on her every bit of blame you can both muster. You say everything she said was lies. She says Jeremy told her everything she said and she just repeated it. You seem to think that a 20 year old made a cuckold of the whole of the Essex Police force. I do NOT believe she was that powerful..................but I DO believe she realized there'd be no help coming from Jeremy and she set out to save her own skin.

I have quoted facts and will continue to quote facts. Jeremy was a good looking boy in his twenties and was probably cocky because of the female attention he received
It looks like everyone wanted a piece of Jeremy, maybe you were one of them Jane

Being cocky and good looking is not a crime and if Jeremy wasn't such a catch maybe he wouldn't have had the nasty  Julie Smerchanski(nee Mugford) try to smother him with a pillow and wish him dead

I will fight to get to the truth in this case and will update every newspaper in Winnipeg when any new information becomes available about the case i.e. The latest on the NOTW deal.
If there is nothing to hide it's about time every single statement Julie made

I predict that when the next documentary is shown here and Canada Julie will be looking to blame the police for being forced to give evidence against Jeremy

Jane we can all use newspapers to spread the word can't we

Offline Caroline

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I have quoted facts and will continue to quote facts. Jeremy was a good looking boy in his twenties and was probably cocky because of the female attention he received
It looks like everyone wanted a piece of Jeremy, maybe you were one of them Jane

Being cocky and good looking is not a crime and if Jeremy wasn't such a catch maybe he wouldn't have had the nasty  Julie Smerchanski(nee Mugford) try to smother him with a pillow and wish him dead

I will fight to get to the truth in this case and will update every newspaper in Winnipeg when any new information becomes available about the case i.e. The latest on the NOTW deal.
If there is nothing to hide it's about time every single statement Julie made

I predict that when the next documentary is shown here and Canada Julie will be looking to blame the police for being forced to give evidence against Jeremy

Jane we can all use newspapers to spread the word can't we


I guess you using a private Twitter account lets you claim all sorts of BS - you carry on spreading the word where no one can see it!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Offline Caroline

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But it hasn't and won't go away because her lies put an innocent man in prison and it looks like she will have the luxury of being on the front pages again if there is prove of when the NOTW deal was signed
As NGB clearly states this would be part of a new appeal

No, but she can get on with her life the best way she can and try and protect her children from the more obsessed (fan) supporter. Whether she signed the deal before of after, doesn't make her testimony lies and as far as I can see, this is a LONG way from any appeal or even CCRC submission. Any new submissions would have to be pretty compelling, especially as it's been insinuated that a respected pathologist lied to the point where he hid fresh injuries on Sheila's body.
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Offline JackieD

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I guess you using a private Twitter account lets you claim all sorts of BS - you carry on spreading the word where no one can see it!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Absolutely Caroline I will continue to reach the 2000 documentary makers, barristers, solicitors and news people

As you know it's been very successful

Offline JackieD

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No, but she can get on with her life the best way she can and try and protect her children from the more obsessed (fan) supporter. Whether she signed the deal before of after, doesn't make her testimony lies and as far as I can see, this is a LONG way from any appeal or even CCRC submission. Any new submissions would have to be pretty compelling, especially as it's been insinuated that a respected pathologist lied to the point where he hid fresh injuries on Sheila's body.

I didn't know you were criminal law specialist
You must have been away from the forum when Ngb made to very clear new evidence relating Julie Smerchanski(nee Mugfords) deal with the NOTW 

Offline Caroline

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Absolutely Caroline I will continue to reach the 2000 documentary makers, barristers, solicitors and news people

As you know it's been very successful

No, I don't know that at all - no one here does. All they see is you giving it large from an account that isn't accountable. No new people can see what you post - that's NOT campaigning. Who's making this documentary Jackie? Are these the guys? Pipedreams@livingincuckoo.com?  ;D ;D

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Offline Caroline

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I didn't know you were criminal law specialist
You must have been away from the forum when Ngb made to very clear new evidence relating Julie Smerchanski(nee Mugfords) deal with the NOTW

OK, let me spell it out for you in SIMPLE terms, whether or not Julie signed the NOTW deal before or after the trial ended, does NOT make Jeremy innocent or what she told the olice about his involvement ...... a lie! She me where NGB stated that the NOTW deal made Jeremy innocent or Julie's testimony about his involvement, a lie? Also, it was claimed that the defence knew nothing about the deal and yet Jeremy spoke about it - stating that when released, he would get more!
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Offline JackieD

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No, I don't know that at all - no one here does. All they see is you giving it large from an account that isn't accountable. No new people can see what you post - that's NOT campaigning. Who's making this documentary Jackie? Are these the guys? Pipedreams@livingincuckoo.com?  ;D ;D


My twitter account was set up only to reach professional people who could be useful regarding the case so don't worry yourself, the account was not set up for the likes of you or Jane J

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OK, let me spell it out for you in SIMPLE terms, whether or not Julie signed the NOTW deal before or after the trial ended, does NOT make Jeremy innocent or what she told the olice about his involvement ...... a lie! She me where NGB stated that the NOTW deal made Jeremy innocent or Julie's testimony about his involvement, a lie? Also, it was claimed that the defence knew nothing about the deal and yet Jeremy spoke about it - stating that when released, he would get more!

I am very well of the significance of when the NOTW deal was signed and if I need any legal advice I won't be coming to you

Something I am interested is, are you an expert on knowing when someone is telling the truth or telling
lies?

I.e Julie Smerchanski(nee Mugford)

Offline Caroline

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My twitter account was set up only to reach professional people who could be useful regarding the case so don't worry yourself, the account was not set up for the likes of you or Jane J

Sniff ......... sniff - I can smell BS - Oh Hi there Jackie  ;D ;D
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Offline Caroline

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I am very well of the significance of when the NOTW deal was signed and if I need any legal advice I won't be coming to you

Something I am interested is, are you an expert on knowing when someone is telling the truth or telling
lies?

I.e Julie Smerchanski(nee Mugford)

I'm pretty good at sussing it out JACKIE!  ;) ;D ;D ;D

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