A New Approach

[Steve_uk]

Yes she did. She said she wanted to see if they'd suffered.

Look, even if she did to spare Jeremy, what was she thinking? Was she thinking - awww, the poor lamb has just had his family murdered and he's too upset to see them, so I'll do it to spare his feelings? I mean, what sort of person thinks that way?

Well she was still in love with him, the paradox of human emotion. She must have dissociated herself from the act by telling her alter ego that they weren't family, as mentioned in the part quoted. It's very distressing and I can understand why the Defence hones in on this particular aspect of the case. I don't know why but there was a modicum of solace for me that she was born in Middlesex, so not a true Northerner, though of course we don't know so much about her upbringing and nothing of her natural father.

[Adam]

Why do you think she should have done it?

She wanted to be helpful.

She was not as upset as everyone else. As was not related to any of the deceased.

She still didn't believe or was not sure Bamber was guilty. Bamber said he had not committed the massacre 'he couldn't have'. And that 'Mathew had done it'. 

She was asked to.

She was not doing anything useful or constructive,  as had been whisked over by Bamber. So offered, or was asked.

Bamber seemed to be coping well, and could cope for a short period while Julie went to identify the bodies.

She went with another relative to give moral support.

If she didn't go with another relative, then she would have originally assumed she would be accompanied.

She believed Bamber was guilty, identifying the twins is no worse than being by his side as he acted.

She knew the twins and could identify them apart.

Bamber didn't offer to do this. 

CC refused to identify the bodies.

Her WS was true and she felt she could communicate with them.

She offered in error. But couldn't withdraw once the offer had been made.

She wanted a break from the crime scene and police. Which was a situation she had not asked to be a part of.

She believed seeing the twins would help her come to terms with what had happened.

She was in the room when discussions about who would do this started. So not surprising she ended up doing this.

If not in the room, Bamber or someone else recommended to the police Julie could do this.

The police felt Julie was the best person. She could identify the twins but had least emotional attachment.

She had little attachment to the twins. They were her boyfriends sisters, sons.

Bamber had brought her over in a police car. She assumed this was so she could be helpful. Identifying the bodies is being helpful.

No one tried to stop her identifying the twins.

Another person offerred but the police turned her down.

A combination of several of the above.

[Kaldin]

None of that is valid IMO. She went out of her way to request to see the bodies. Maybe she did want to see if they suffered, although I would have thought that having 7 or 8 bullets pumped into you would mean that you suffered. Even then, she wasn't moved by what had happened - she still continued to protect Jeremy and she still carried on partying with him.

[Adam]

None of that is valid IMO. She went out of her way to request to see the bodies. Maybe she did want to see if they suffered, although I would have thought that having 7 or 8 bullets pumped into you would mean that you suffered. Even then, she wasn't moved by what had happened - she still continued to protect Jeremy and she still carried on partying with him.

I agree. Julie did accompany Bamber for 20 days while he partied & spent lots of money.

Bamber could have left Julie in bed on the massacre morning. Then chosen to party without her. But didn't.

Anyway, you don't agree any of the 24 reasons Julie help identify the bodies applied to her. Although only Julie knows her reasons. Some of which she has said.

[Steve_uk]

None of that is valid IMO. She went out of her way to request to see the bodies. Maybe she did want to see if they suffered, although I would have thought that having 7 or 8 bullets pumped into you would mean that you suffered. Even then, she wasn't moved by what had happened - she still continued to protect Jeremy and she still carried on partying with him.

No that's not true. She was the only one who could tell them apart, which makes their deaths all the more shocking the level of intimacy it suggests. Some people do have a frozen persona which doesn't mean they are not hurting inside.

[Kaldin]

No that's not true. She was the only one who could tell them apart, which makes their deaths all the more shocking the level of intimacy it suggests. Some people do have a frozen persona which doesn't mean they are not hurting inside.

Please read what she said about feeling she had to see the bodies, and how she specifically asked DS Jones if she could do so.

[Steve_uk]

Please read what she said about feeling she had to see the bodies, and how she specifically asked DS Jones if she could do so.

These words coming out of the mouth of a 20-year-old. I suggest that you don't analyse them too deeply.

[Kaldin]

These words coming out of the mouth of a 20-year-old. I suggest that you don't analyse them too deeply.

Why not? It was a statement - a very lengthy one. She spells it out for you, and now you think she didn't mean what she was saying?

Oh, and she was 21 by then.

[JackieD]

No that's not true. She was the only one who could tell them apart, which makes their deaths all the more shocking the level of intimacy it suggests. Some people do have a frozen persona which doesn't mean they are not hurting inside.

That's a xxx. Please Steve do not keep making stuff up

There were numerous people who could identify the bodies
There was NO immediate need to identify the bodies

[Kaldin]

It seems that we have a new possibility here - that on 7th Auguest Jeremy did indeed tell Julie at some length about how the murders were done and that she thought he was joking. Is that possible? Is it possible that she merely thought he was showing off and trying to impress her? Is it possible that she forgot what he said for at least 20 days?

[Steve_uk]

Why not? It was a statement - a very lengthy one. She spells it out for you, and now you think she didn't mean what she was saying?

Oh, and she was 21 by then.

But she had known Jeremy Bamber for almost two years. Young people say a lot of things about many subjects-spiritualism, politics, animal welfare. But I'm not sure this scrutiny adds anything to her mindset, unless you can convince me otherwise.

[Kaldin]

But she had known Jeremy Bamber for almost two years. Young people say a lot of things about many subjects-spiritualism, politics, animal welfare. But I'm not sure this scrutiny adds anything to her mindset, unless you can convince me otherwise.

Well she said it, so you'd need to convince me that she didn't mean it.

[Steve_uk]

That's a xxx. Please Steve do not keep making stuff up

There were numerous people who could identify the bodies
There was NO immediate need to identify the bodies

Jackie this has been discussed many times before. Colin was asked to identify the bodies and refused point blank. His girlfriend Heather offered and was declined by DS Jones. It was then that Julie stepped forward and volunteered, I assume because she knew Nicholas had a slight scar on his ear which marked him out from Daniel. No other figures either past or present could identify this pair of identical twins apart.

Now have you got that..

[Kaldin]

Jackie this has been discussed many times before. Colin was asked to identify the bodies and refused point blank. His girlfriend Heather offered and was declined by DS Jones. It was then that Julie stepped forward and volunteered, I assume because she knew Nicholas had a slight scar on his ear which marked him out from Daniel. No other figures either past or present could identify this pair of identical twins apart.

Now have you got that..

Are there any statements you can link to?

[Steve_uk]

Are there any statements you can link to?

It's in Colin's book.