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Offline Caroline

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1350 on: July 01, 2018, 02:13:PM »





Dried blood from the lesser of the two wounds,yes------because that's all he saw,one wound which wouldn't have pumped out blood because the bullet hit soft flesh and the jawbone. If he'd seen the second wound he'd have described arterial blood flowing----------but he didn't did he ? That's if he was doing his job properly ??!!


It's like you live in a vacuum Lookout. First of all, the first shot hit a major vein but never mind. Even if he had only seen one shot, that wouldn't stop him seeing blood 'flowing' - he didn't see that because it was dry. How do we know it was dry? Because we have a picture and Craig (and others) said so!

No he didn't describe arterial blood flowing - BECAUSE IT WASN'T!
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1351 on: July 01, 2018, 02:49:PM »
Blood wouldn't be that quick at drying coming from a main artery ( carotid ) it pumps out with the beat of the heart. Second shot which was missed.

Venous blood doesn't pump out and that accounted for the first and one and only shot that Craig saw.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1352 on: July 01, 2018, 04:19:PM »
Blood wouldn't be that quick at drying coming from a main artery ( carotid ) it pumps out with the beat of the heart. Second shot which was missed.

Venous blood doesn't pump out and that accounted for the first and one and only shot that Craig saw.

Which is EXACTLY why Bamber is guilty!
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1353 on: July 01, 2018, 04:24:PM »
Which is EXACTLY why Bamber is guilty!





How so ? Just because the thin layer of blood ( which warmed against her cheeks ) dried quicker than the blood which exited the carotid artery  that Craig missed ? You've got to be kidding.You must be !

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1354 on: July 01, 2018, 04:27:PM »
Also the room atmosphere had been conducive in assisting blood to dry quicker than if in a cold room.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1355 on: July 01, 2018, 04:58:PM »
Miller wrote in his notes that the rifle was by Sheila's right hand side--------was that true too ?

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1356 on: July 01, 2018, 05:05:PM »




How so ? Just because the thin layer of blood ( which warmed against her cheeks ) dried quicker than the blood which exited the carotid artery  that Craig missed ? You've got to be kidding.You must be !

I think it must be you who is joking Lookout (especially given your background). To suggest that Craig would miss blood running from wounds is just silly. The blood around her mouth was dried and cracking off - you're just trying to down play and it's not working!
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1357 on: July 01, 2018, 05:53:PM »

It's like you live in a vacuum Lookout. First of all, the first shot hit a major vein but never mind. Even if he had only seen one shot, that wouldn't stop him seeing blood 'flowing' - he didn't see that because it was dry. How do we know it was dry? Because we have a picture and Craig (and others) said so!

No he didn't describe arterial blood flowing - BECAUSE IT WASN'T!
The defence expert, stated that he would have expected Sheila to be able to keep moving and walking around for as much as half an hour after the first shot had been inflicted, which means that he was happy in the knowledge that there had been a so what lengthy dealt between the two shots received by Sheila...

More astonishingly, this half an hour of activity postulated by the defence expert, fits in snugly with the fact that Sheila's body was originally presumed dead downstairs in the kitchen, as per the contemporaneously recorded police radio message log contents, timed at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am, and 7.45am, tow bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder and a suicide being the accepted view all by 7.45am, and by 8.10am, only three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms!

There can be little doubt that there was a significant delay between the timing when the two shots were inflicted and received by Sheila Caffell - you o it have to look at and consider the angle at which the rifle would have to have been held at the time each of these two shots had been fired. The first, a shot across the neck consistent with Sheila being involved in a one on one struggle over possession of a rifle which almost certainly  took place downstairs in the kitchen, as detailed by the variously time police radio messages. In the case of the second shot, Sheila was almost certainly entirely unconscious, a fact consistent with someone bringing a loaded rifle to her body upstairs in her parents bedroom! Sheila did not activate the trigger of the rifle at the time her life was brought to its conclusion, someone else brought the rifle in question (the anshuzt rifle) to Sheila's body which had been placed on the main bedroom floor, there can be no doubt regarding who the people involved could have been! The police themselves brought the rifle from the first floor box room window, and placed it on top of Sheila's body, without anyone checking to see if the gun still had a bullet in its chamber! Remember, it was not until 11.10am, that PS Woodcock first checked and made the rifle safe...

Sheila was shot on the second occasion after Stan Jones and Mick Clark had both visited the main bedroom, (after 9.05am) and prior to the arrival of Ron Cook at the scene at 9.20am. the official time when Sheila sustained the fatal second shot was 9.13am, officially she died as a result of a freak accident as a result of senior officers who were performing 'infornatives' mishandled the loaded rifle when the muzzle of the barrel was positioned beneath Sheila's chin, and the fingers of her right hand were being manipulated against the trigger mechanism...

The fact that there were only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am, is a rather telling indictment of the location of Sheila Caffell's body at that stage, she was thought to have been the dead female found in the kitchen upon entry, her death spoken of at that time as a suicide, but if Sheila struggled with someone at the time the armed police tried to enter the kitchen, I think it wouldn't have been treated as a suicide at the death, had Sheila actually died from the initial shot to her neck, a shot which travelled across her neck horizontally, and a shot inflicted due to dynamic tension created between Sheila and one other person - had there not been such a struggle for control of the rifle which fired the original piece of badly fragmented bullet (the original PV/20), Sheila's death at that time would not have been called at all, she wouldn't have been shot at all by anybody!

For these reasons the police have to be responsible for the death by suicide which they called between 7.35am and 7.45am, involving Sheila Caffell..

The fact of the matter, is however, that she did not die as a result of that I first shot across her neck, no amount of anyone arguing that the bullet penetrated a majority artery, or that she would have eventuallydied in any event through loss of blood! Be said and the defence expert, were both in agreement that the first shot had not killed Sheila Caffell afterall, but that as soon as the second shot was received under the point of Sheila's chin, death would almost have followed on instantaneously! Furthermore, it would appear that Venezis and the defence expert, were in agreement that the non fatal shot  (PV/20) across the neck had been inflicted prior to the second fatal shot (PV/19). This throws up the rather unlikely image of the rifle suddenly changing angle by 90°, inbetween both shots, a feature which presents additional complications, since with Sheila being primarily left handed, and Jeremy Bamber being right handed, once each shot had been fired, one spent cartridge case would eject automatically from the right hand side of the gun, along with firearms discharge residue ( found to be present on the front lower part of Sheila Caffell's nightdress)...

A marked absence of any firearms discharge residue on the upper part of the same nightdress - indicating that at the time the initial shot (bullet PV/20) was fired the shooter must have been right handed sending the ejected spent cartridge case, and the firearms discharge residue away from the body of Sheila Caffell! If we look at the staged crime scene photographs the right hand side of the rifles vents and ejection port is pressed against Sheila's nightdress, with the fingers of her right hand resting generally in the vicinity of the trigger mechanism! The position of the firearm discharge residue on the front lower part of Sheila Caffell's nightdress, at odds with the position of the aforementioned ejection port and vents, indicating that Sheila had been holding the rifle on another occasion prior to the occasion when the fatal second shot was fired, when it was fired on  at least one other occasions, discounting the initial shot across her own neck because the rifle would have to have been held much higher up on Sheila's body so that the trajectory of the non fatal bullet (PV/20) could take its course horizontally across the neck...

I have been pondering how best this evidence could be presented as part of any new appeal, and I realise that the dimensions of the actual rifle will fall to be taken into account, particularly the exact measurement from the muzzle end of the rifles barrel, and the ejection port and the venting holes out of which is expelled the firearms discharge residue, the trigger mechanism...

Also pertinent, is the fact that according to Venezis, the gouge marks on Neville Bambers forearm were made by the bare barrel of the rifle, without a silencer fitted,

This contradiction regarding whether or not, Sheila Caffell's unique blood had got into the silencer at the time she was shot and killed, despite the silencer not being on the barrel of the gun when Neville Bamber was attacked, shot and killed downstairs in the kitchen, throws up questions also regarding how the red paint from the scratched kitchen aga surround got onto the silencer - if the silencer wasn't on the guns barrel when Neville Bamber was attacked downstairs in the kitchen, how could the silencer have scratched it?

Linked to this, is the timing of Neville Bambers death, against the timing of Sheila Caffell's death, since if there was no silencer fitted to the end of the guns barrel when Neville Bamber was being attacked and killed off, who in their right mind would attach a silencer just to shoot Sheila dead and staged her death as a suicide upstairs on the main bedroom floor, paying particular attention to remove the silencer after the shooter eventually killed off Sheila?

It just doesn't add up or make any sense, for the killer (let's put Jeremy in the frame for argument's sake) to put a silencer on the anshuzt rifles barrel, after he had attacked and killed off Neville Bamber in the kitchen, gouged his forearm with the bare barrel of the gun, then for whatever reason think it's necessary to attach a silencer so that he can shoot dead his sister upstairs on his parents bedroom floor, intending to stage her death there as a suicide, but then renovng the silencer again, and taking it to another part of the farmhouse and hide it in a box in a cupboard in the downstairs office?

The silencer evidence is dodgy by anybodies standards, along with the blood and the paint - itcwas the only way the authorities and the powers that be could stand any chance of ever convicting him at all...
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1358 on: July 01, 2018, 06:01:PM »
I think it must be you who is joking Lookout (especially given your background). To suggest that Craig would miss blood running from wounds is just silly. The blood around her mouth was dried and cracking off - you're just trying to down play and it's not working!





And you're trying too hard-----it shows.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1359 on: July 01, 2018, 06:02:PM »
Anyway,what's my background got to do with anything ?

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1360 on: July 01, 2018, 06:10:PM »
Personally I have always been rather squeamish where blood is concerned. I suppose she means that as a nurse you were used to seeing it in your daily life.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2018, 06:37:PM by Steve_uk »

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1361 on: July 01, 2018, 06:41:PM »




And you're trying too hard-----it shows.

No, I'm simply pointing you to evidence that we have on THIS forum - you have none just some wishful thinking.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1362 on: July 01, 2018, 06:43:PM »
Personally I have always been rather squeamish where blood is concerned. I suppose she means that as a nurse you were used to seeing it in your daily life.

No, I meant that she should KNOW that Craig couldn't fail to notice flowing blood given that she used to be a nurse.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1363 on: July 01, 2018, 06:44:PM »
Anyway,what's my background got to do with anything ?

You mention it often enough Lookout. You should know that what you are suggesting is HIGHLY unlikely.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #1364 on: July 01, 2018, 07:06:PM »
You mention it often enough Lookout. You should know that what you are suggesting is HIGHLY unlikely.






You're not making sense ?