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Offline Jan

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The rifle in the window.
« on: July 09, 2017, 10:41:AM »
I have seen this dismissed on this forum several times as a mistake .

Either that the officer did not see it


Or it could have been a broom or something similar?

So the officer was a firearms officer with experience.

So I think we can assume she knows what a rifle looks like.

But if she was wrong then there must have been something that looked very much like a rifle in one window of the side of the house she was facing.


If This s noti in the crime scene photos I think we can establish that something was moved from the time of her sighting to the time of the crime scene photos . So even if it was a broom someone must have moved it?

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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2017, 10:42:AM »
Part of the statement

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2017, 10:43:AM »
Sorry bear with me iPad novice😎

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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 10:46:AM »
Second attempt

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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 10:47:AM »
Even so,if it was a broom,it had still vanished from the window.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 10:52:AM »
Even so,if it was a broom,it had still vanished from the window.

Well we would need to check all the crime scene photos to confirm that .

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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 11:13:AM »
So the questions . Which room did she see the object in?

Was there anything in  the window in the crime scene photos ?

Even a suggested broom

Out of interest was it a low window?  Some of these old houses did have quite long low windows .

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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 11:21:AM »
Pity she cant clarify her self.  She's now a Conservative Councilor but doesn't want to cooperate with any further questions about it. 
"She was on a mission - a date with death, in league with the devil..." 

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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2017, 11:26:AM »
Pity she cant clarify her self.  She's now a Conservative Councilor but doesn't want to cooperate with any further questions about it.

really ?

Do we know how old she was when she became a firearms officer? She must have been quite a  would have thought to get that position in those days .

It's white clear she was something .

Ok it appeared to be a rifle could be used as conjecture . But she saw an object in a window at that time . So it should be in the crime scene photos?

Or someone in the house moved it.

So something long like a gun?

Can think of anything else except a broom? And did they not have a housekeeper ? She would not have left a broom hanging around?

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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2017, 11:32:AM »
really ?

Do we know how old she was when she became a firearms officer? She must have been quite a  would have thought to get that position in those days .

It's white clear she was something .

Ok it appeared to be a rifle could be used as conjecture . But she saw an object in a window at that time . So it should be in the crime scene photos?

Or someone in the house moved it.

So something long like a gun?

Can think of anything else except a broom? And did they not have a housekeeper ? She would not have left a broom hanging around?

I thought I read on CT site that it was passed off as a hoover nozzle  :-\
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2017, 11:37:AM »
That " broom " if it was such, must have been there when officers were looking up at the windows,yet it wasn't reported until after 7am ?

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2017, 12:17:PM »
https://youtu.be/mmCART1vcCo

Mike posted a video on this.
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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2017, 12:52:PM »
I thought I read on CT site that it was passed off as a hoover nozzle  :-\





Not with a bump in it  :-[

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2017, 01:07:PM »
Full statement:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1387.0.html


I wonder how experienced she was. She retired in 2015 and says she served over 30 years.

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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2017, 01:14:PM »
Full statement:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1387.0.html


I wonder how experienced she was. She retired in 2015 and says she served over 30 years.

Thank you for the full statement .

I always thought you would have to be quite experienced before being allowed into the firearms section?