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unlikely vs impossble.
« on: June 10, 2017, 01:08:PM »
you might find jeremys a tiny bit hard to belive but doe that mean that it couldent of happend.

i mean unlikely events do happen.
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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2017, 01:24:PM »
Unlikely events did happen,but weren't impossible,except there was no proof of either anyone gaining entry nor exiting the farmhouse,so the conclusion was that it had been an inside job.

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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2017, 01:59:PM »
exactly theres nothing in jeremys story that couldent be true.

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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2017, 02:15:PM »
Bamber's account has more holes than Blackburn, Lancashire. Some supporters fire fight these & say Julie wouldn't have done this or that if Bamber was guilty. Or the already rich relatives wanted the money.

At the end of the day, the forensic evidence below confirms Bambers guilt -

Perfectly clean hands on Sheila.   

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila. 

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected.

Well manicured nails on Sheila. 

Not broken.

Nails in tact.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers. 

No blood on finger tips.

No dirt on finger tips.

No powder on finger tips.

No trace of any lead dust coating.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice.

Perfectly clean feet.

Feet free from blood staining.

No debris such as sugar on feet

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself.

Nevill being bare footed in pyjamas.

Sheila being bare footed in pyjamas.

Paint in silencer.

Blood in silencer.

No blood in the rifle end.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible.

Effects of Haloperidol.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre.

Sheila under sedation.

Easy window entrance into WHF.

Shutting kitchen window from outside. 

Murder weapon options.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell.

Items around the kitchen window being moved. 

Bike route to WHF.

Bike at Bamber's cottage.

June not waking/getting shot in bed.

Nevill's back burns.

2012 CCRC court judgement.

The twins not waking.

Bamber's call to the police.

Nevill's injuries 

Sheila's time limits.

No valid Sheila scenario.

       
« Last Edit: June 10, 2017, 02:28:PM by Adam »
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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2017, 02:17:PM »
Over 4 million copies of JB's innocence-------beat that !!

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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2017, 03:56:PM »
Bamber's account has more holes than Blackburn, Lancashire. Some supporters fire fight these & say Julie wouldn't have done this or that if Bamber was guilty. Or the already rich relatives wanted the money.

At the end of the day, the forensic evidence below confirms Bambers guilt -

Perfectly clean hands on Sheila.   

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila. 

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected.

Well manicured nails on Sheila. 

Not broken.

Nails in tact.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers. 

No blood on finger tips.

No dirt on finger tips.

No powder on finger tips.

No trace of any lead dust coating.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice.

Perfectly clean feet.

Feet free from blood staining.

No debris such as sugar on feet

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself.

Nevill being bare footed in pyjamas.

Sheila being bare footed in pyjamas.

Paint in silencer.

Blood in silencer.

No blood in the rifle end.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible.

Effects of Haloperidol.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre.

Sheila under sedation.

Easy window entrance into WHF.

Shutting kitchen window from outside. 

Murder weapon options.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell.

Items around the kitchen window being moved. 

Bike route to WHF.

Bike at Bamber's cottage.

June not waking/getting shot in bed.

Nevill's back burns.

2012 CCRC court judgement.

The twins not waking.

Bamber's call to the police.

Nevill's injuries 

Sheila's time limits.

No valid Sheila scenario.

     

but does make it impossable for it to have happend an inconstentcy does not translate into an impossability.

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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2017, 04:05:PM »
exactly theres nothing in jeremys story that couldent be true.

It's very easy to see he was used to fit a crime and ultimately due to his unsafe conviction lose his family's inheritance

If only there had been an exact record of the phone calls made the case would never have gone to court

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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2017, 04:16:PM »
but does make it impossable for it to have happend an inconstentcy does not translate into an impossability.

Unfortunately Nugs, the forensic evidence above is what the courts will go by. Together with circumstantial evidence. Although if there are holes in Bamber's story that is a special bonus.

If there is just one piece of forensic evidence it may be possible for lawyers to undermine it. As Barry George's lawyers spent years doing on one piece, claiming contamination. Eventually getting success.

However the Bamber case has 50+ pieces of forensic evidence so it's always been game over for him.   
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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2017, 06:47:PM »
Nugs's thread post is confirming that Bamber's story is 'hard to believe'. Which even his most loyal supporters will agree with.

It is also suggesting if Bamber's story was 'unlikely but not impossible',  the jury should have had reasonable doubt and acquited. Or the appeal courts should have overturned the conviction.

However in criminal trials & appeals, the decisions will be based on the forensic evidence submitted. Of which there was are over 50 pieces incriminating Bamber. 
« Last Edit: June 10, 2017, 10:34:PM by Adam »
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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2017, 10:10:AM »
Bamber's account has more holes than Blackburn, Lancashire. Some supporters fire fight these & say Julie wouldn't have done this or that if Bamber was guilty. Or the already rich relatives wanted the money.

At the end of the day, the forensic evidence below confirms Bambers guilt - Please, reflect,
 Jeremy Bamber was not, is not the killer!


Perfectly clean hands on Sheila.  Incorrect, she had blood on the top part of her right hand (see photographic evidence)..

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila.  No photographs showing all the fingers of her right hand blood free, any suggestion otherwise is pure speculation!

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila. Please, think about what your saying, but no gunshot residue! (Do you know the difference)? Not consistent with handling a rifle. Please, stop trying to merge lead deposit quantities, with GSR..Significantly higher traces expected Please, hang on, no GSR tested for, or found!.

Well manicured nails on Sheila. ( So?

Not broken. ( But she had a broken toe nail, I wonder why?

Nails in tact. So what?

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers. You don't know that, you have not seen photographs of her fingers being blood free, its pure speculation on your part, no substance whatsoever to your claim!

No blood on finger tips. Please, stop making things up, you don't know that and there is absolutely njo evidence to support what your alleging..

No dirt on finger tips. Worthless speculation...

No powder on finger tips. That is a lie, since none was tested for, and subsequently no results obtained!!

No trace of any lead dust coating. Sorry, but because of the time elapsed from the taking of the hand swabs (7 August 1985) to the date of analysis (2nd October 1985), as compared to the date swabs were taken from volunteers (a matter of days)and the same date (2nd October 1985) the volunteers handswabs were taken, the evaporation rates were in stark contrast to one another, where you could not possibly compare the results of Sheila's swabs, against volunteers swabs and produce an accurate assessment upon which to form any conclusions - the tests relied upon and the results produced are basically bullshit, not worth the ink it is written about in...

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice.

Perfectly clean feet. Liar, stop promoting bullshit! Take a look at the recently obtained photographic evidence taken by PC Bird (SOCO) himself

Feet free from blood staining. Liar!! stop trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes, therfe was definitely blood on the soles of her feet! Do you need glasses to see the blood which is clearly present there on her foot in the previously undisclosed crime scene photographs?

No debris such as sugar on feet Thats irrelevant, since no sugar was found on the soles of the feet of Neville Bamber, and even you agree that his body was found and present in the kitchen!

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight. Irrelevant, and bullshit!

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress. Not true, all the blood including stains, aspirated blood, and bloodied fingermarks did not produce any specific blood group results - please stop promoting absolute garbage!

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress Not tested for, please provide your evidence in support of your nonsensical assumptions?

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress Bullshit, non was tested for, and certainly no results obtained supporting your contentionj!

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.
 Totally inaccurate, no tests were done, and no results obtained supporting such a scenario!


Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila. Not proven ot established..

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself. She did not kill herself...

Nevill being bare footed in pyjamas. You do not know that / this!

Sheila being bare footed in pyjamas. She wasn't wearing pyjamas, she was wearing a light blue nightdress!

Paint in silencer. Paint on end of a guns barrel as confirmed by DS Davidson in his COLP interview, not the silencer...

Blood in silencer. Blood not exclusive and unique to Sheila Caffell..

No blood in the rifle end. Not surprisingly, since somebody test fired part of DRH/23 in the rifle prior to 23rd August 1985 when Ron Cook took 19 bullet cases to be fingerprinted to a police facility at Sandridge using superglue treatment! Item DRH/23 was originally a Live round of Eley .22 ammunition in an ammunition box! BY 23rd August, that live round had already been test fired in the anshuzt rifle,
 thus clearing the inner barrel of any blood capable of being detected on a cloth pull through performed a month later...


Sheila's legs pulled after second shot. Sheila's body on top of the bed when DS Jones and DC Clark saw Sheila's body prior to leaving the scene to go to Jeremys cottage! Junes body alongside Sheila's on the bed, with the rifle resting on the bed between both bodies, and a bible on Sheila's chest!
 Sheila's body moved onto the bedroom floor adfter Jones and Clark left the scene during 'informatives'!
 Work it out for yourself who must have moved Sheila's body onto the bedroom floor, maybe then you will see that if Sheila's legs were pulled, the only people who could be responsible for doing such a thing were the police themselves, not Jeremy Bamber, or anybody else!


Sheila's blood underneath the bible. Yes, after cops rolled her body into the recovery position, immediately after they caused the second shot to be inflicted under the chin, after her body was moved to the bedroom floor from on top of the bed!!

Effects of Haloperidol. Hang on, the effects of a significant reduction (50%) in Haloperidol...

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body. At a significantly reduced rate!

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre. Yes, she had been behaving hysterically when the Electricity Board Official attended the farm to obtain a meter reading - June had to apologise to the official, she making excuses along the lines that Sheila was not very well, and that she had not been taking her medication!

Sheila under sedation. Get the facts right, she was under sedated!

Easy window entrance into WHF. Available to many people, and everybody, including the relatives themselves..

Shutting kitchen window from outside.  great, relatives pointed this out to police...

Murder weapon options. Two different guns involved in the shooting of Sheila, which was presented as though it was a one gun crime, both bullets subject of her death allegedly having been fired via the anshuzt rifle, which was resting against another window of another first floor window (box room)
 from 7.15am, onward..


Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell. Who now accepts that police staged Sheila Caffells death scene on the main bedroom floor!"

Items around the kitchen window being moved. irrelevent..

Bike route to WHF. imaginary journey with no evidence to back it up...

Bike at Bamber's cottage. a week after the tragedy, it proves nothing!

June not waking/getting shot in bed. Lies, because June did wake up and according to the evidence walked around the foot ogf the bed, and back again according to blood analysis of some of the blood on the bedroom carpet!

Nevill's back burns. Minus, the silencer...

2012 CCRC court judgement. CCRC are not a court!

The twins not waking. Both shot in their sleep by their mother!

Bamber's call to the police. at 3.36am...

Nevill's injuries  injuries which are consistent with him having been involved in a struggle with Sheila, and him having struck his face and head upon falling after being shot!

Sheila's time limits. Sheila had ample time to shoot everybody, and then be shot and presumed to be dead in the kitchen upon entry, and later for her to be shot fatally beneath the chin after her body arrived upstairs after 8.10am, and her body had been transferred from on top of the bed, onto the bedroom floor! The rifle which fired the fatal shot (anshuzt) brought from a first floor box room window to her body!

No valid Sheila scenario. The official police account is bogus!

     
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Re: unlikely vs impossble.
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2017, 10:47:AM »
That's great Mike. You're the first person to dispute my list of evidence submitted and published pre trial,  pre appeals and available online.

A lot of the above is in the 522 point 2002 'Court of Appeal' document. If you have not seen it, it is worth reading.

I did create another thread asking if all the experts, professors, police officers & relatives created dozens of false reports, documents, witness statements, photo's & court testimonies to create 50+ pieces of false forensic evidence. No one supported this suggestion.

Do you believe dozens of different people from different organisations all created and released the above false evidence to frame Bamber ?
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 11:23:AM by Adam »
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