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Offline Adam

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Dozens of respected & law abiding/upholding people would all have to work together. no, they wouldn't..Putting their names to false witness statements, You've got it wrong, some witness statements were made for witnesses by cops acting on the dodgy say so of a CpS manager with the surname of Adams! documents not true! The contents of police and Lab' records are accurately recorded, it's only lucifarian supporters who make these absurd claims.. & evidence. you don't have legal jurisdiction to call anything you agree with as evidence, or if you don't agree with it, call it by some other lucifarian title!

They would all have to agree to be corrupt no, they wouldn't lucifarian supporters always fall back on the same lame excuses your preaching here! Nobody from the godly camp claims anything of the nature and the scale your suggesting and to lie to the DPP the DPP would be too engrossed in telling it's own lies without any input from anyone from the godly camp! courts lucifarian witnesses lie all of the time! It's part of the way the court system runs and operates! and juries the lucifarian approach when it concerns juries is to hide and conceal and withhold key evidence and twist the truth so that the lie which is created becomes the so called truth!

They would all have to trust each other that no one will break ranks no, they wouldn't, lucifarians always rely on that lame duck excuse! and retract you really haven't got a clue when it comes to the way of the criminal justice system, and those who work within it, and manipulate the system! . Both at the time and in the future. lucifarians are manipulative, they lie, and fabricate, to make themselves appear better than everyone else!

Surely to create so much false forensic there is no such thing as false forensic evidence unless your a lucifarian supporters who thinks your better than the rest of us from the godly camp! evidence is impossible. there is no dishonesty if you listen to lucifarians talk, that's why there are lots of miscarriages of justice, and why the CCRC was set up to slow down the rate at which miscarriages of justice were coming to the public's attention!
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 11:15:PM by mike tesko »
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I know posters will ask me 'what forensic evidence'. Below is some -


Perfectly clean hands on Sheila.   

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila. 

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected.

Well manicured nails on Sheila. 

Not broken.

Nails in tact.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers. 

No blood on finger tips.

No dirt on finger tips.

No powder on finger tips.

No trace of any lead dust coating.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice.

Perfectly clean feet.

Feet free from blood staining.

No debris such as sugar on feet

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself.

Nevill being bare footed in pyjamas.

Sheila being bare footed in pyjamas.

Paint in silencer.

Blood in silencer.

No blood in the rifle end.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible.

Effects of Haloperidol.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre.

Sheila under sedation.

Easy window entrance into WHF.

Shutting kitchen window from outside. 

Murder weapon options.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell.

Items around the kitchen window being moved. 

Bike route to WHF.

June not waking/getting shot in bed.

Nevill's back burns.

2012 CCRC court judgement.

The twins not waking.

Bamber's call to the police.

Nevill's injuries 

Sheila's time limits.

No valid Sheila scenario.

       
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Surely the experts/police/relatives couldn't have created all this false forensic evidence. 
« Last Edit: June 10, 2017, 10:55:AM by Adam »
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Judging by Mr Hayward's statement where he's said that the blood in the silencer could have come from either Sheila or RWB,how do you think RWB's blood got there if you don't think Sheila carried out the murders ?

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Judging by Mr Hayward's statement where he's said that the blood in the silencer could have come from either Sheila or RWB,how do you think RWB's blood got there if you don't think Sheila carried out the murders ?

Lookout RB did not shoot himself with a silencer attached. He wouldn't even know what blood type Sheila was.
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You seem to be under the impression your "mountain" of evidence ignorance actually reflects what took place 32 years ago.

There are only three pieces of "evidence" against Jeremy. Two of them direct the other circumstantial which is also forensic evidence.

"People think forensic evidence means direct evidence but its not,  Forensic evidence, presented by expert investigators, is circumstantial evidence since it is presented to establish events that were not observed by the witness"

Circumstantial = Sheila's blood group found in a silencer that was located in the cupboard downstairs. This implies the silencer was used on the night and the blood grouping goes further to imply Sheila cannot have killed herself thus murdered.

Direct Evidence = RWBs witness account of Jeremy telling him he could easily kill his family.

Direct Evidence = Julies witness account of what Jeremy said to her.

Neither of these stand up to scrutiny. But since Rivlin QC's strategy was to put forward a defence  argument with Sheila using the silencer then putting it away (which is not possible). The Judge ended up instructing the Jury to find him guilty.

‘It was all down to the judge’s summing up. He directed us to find Jeremy guilty and that’s why we did, in the end. If it hadn’t been for the judge telling us what we should do, he would have walked free.’
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I know posters will ask me 'what forensic evidence'. Below is some -


Perfectly clean hands on Sheila.   

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila. 

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected.

Well manicured nails on Sheila. 

Not broken.

Nails in tact.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers. 

No blood on finger tips.

No dirt on finger tips.

No powder on finger tips.

No trace of any lead dust coating.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice.

Perfectly clean feet.

Feet free from blood staining.

No debris such as sugar on feet

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.

Nevill being bare footed in pyjamas.

Sheila being bare footed in pyjamas.

Paint in silencer.

Blood in silencer.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible.

Effects of Haloperidol.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre.

Sheila under sedation.

Easy window entrance into WHF.

Shutting kitchen window from outside. 

Murder weapon options.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell.

Items around the kitchen window being moved. 

Bike route to WHF.

June not waking/getting shot in bed.

Nevill's back burns.

2012 CCRC court judgement.

The twins not waking.

Journey to WHF.

Nevill's injuries 

Sheila's time limits.

       
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Surely the experts/police/relatives couldn't have created all false forensic evidence.

You have posted all this before. None of it stood up to scrutiny last time. What do you think you will achieve by repeating the same unsupported assertion.
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

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You have posted all this before. None of it stood up to scrutiny last time. What do you think you will achieve by repeating the same unsupported assertion.

All of the above has been submitted to the courts and appeals. Over 20 points were in the 2002 COA document.

Are you saying that all this evidence given to the courts and sworn in WS's & documents to be true by experts, police & relatives, was made up by these people ?

« Last Edit: June 09, 2017, 03:41:PM by Adam »
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Lookout RB did not shoot himself with a silencer attached. He wouldn't even know what blood type Sheila was.





Both groups were unique don't forget !! Think about it.

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Relatives-

Could only fabricate one piece of forensic evidence. - silencer. With a lot of assistance from the police.


Police:

Had no motive to create false evidence. Which would have to be ratified by experts or for the silencer, the relatives. However there were a lot of huge risks.


Experts

Again they had no motive to give false evidence or write false documents & WS's for the courts.


The police, relatives & experts all testified.

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Why was so much false evidence created by experts, relatives & the police ?

« Last Edit: June 09, 2017, 04:44:PM by Adam »
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David is that what one of the jurors said. About the judge directing them to find him guilty? Is it in call book. Does it say anything else

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The jury probably went by the old adage " what can't speak can't lie ",when the judge in his summing up had said it " was either Sheila or Jeremy ".

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Forget about the 'treacherous' Stan Jones apparently snooping around the police fridge on some sort of solo mission, prior to asking the relatives to lie in their WS's. 

Professors, experts, relatives & it seems half of EP, would have had to have dreamed up over 50 pieces of false incriminating forensic evidence. Working in unison to create & put their names to false documents, reports, witness statements & court testimonies.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2017, 07:15:PM by Adam »
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With so much undisputed incriminating forensic evidence against Bamber, it is surprising there are still passionate supporters and even campaigners.

People do tend to ignore the forensic evidence & focus on other aspects to justify their support. JackieD & Susan focusing a lot on Julie identifying the twins while Nugs & Buddy focus more on the relatives apparently wanting the inheritance.

The relatives with a lot of police help could only influence 1 of the 50+ pieces of forensic evidence. Julie had no influence on any of the submitted forensic evidence.

Sherlock has agreed 'Sheila could not have shot herself' & has promoted the massacre being committed by a hit man, RB or AE. This would support some of the forensic evidence but has received little support on the forum. Susan saying 'I will continue to say Sheila murdered her family'.

David has incorrectly said none of the submitted forensic evidence has 'stood up to scrutiny'.  But did not answer my question in reply 6 on whether that means respected professors, experts, police officers & relatives created & signed off 50+ false reports, documents & witness statements, before all lying in court.

Juries, the courts & appeal courts will focus on the forensic and circumstantial evidence they are given when making decisions.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2017, 10:54:AM by Adam »
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Adam continues to post points or "pieces" of his that have been answered yet he has not provided any counter arguments.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7204.msg401369.html#msg401369

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7204.msg401367.html#msg401367

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8426.msg401499.html#msg401499

"A point refuted a thousand times, commonly abbreviated as PRATT, refers to a point or argument that has literally been refuted so many times that it is not worth bothering with.
It is a common phrase on Internet forums — as debates have a tendency to go in circles. Once people have refuted a point the first thousand times, it's hard for them to muster the motivation to do it again"

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times
« Last Edit: June 10, 2017, 01:41:PM by David1819 »
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

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Adam continues to post points or "pieces" of his that have been answered yet he has not provided any counter arguments.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7204.msg401369.html#msg401369

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7204.msg401367.html#msg401367

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8426.msg401499.html#msg401499

"A point refuted a thousand times, commonly abbreviated as PRATT, refers to a point or argument that has literally been refuted so many times that it is not worth bothering with.
It is a common phrase on Internet forums — as debates have a tendency to go in circles. Once people have refuted a point the first thousand times, it's hard for them to muster the motivation to do it again"

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times

What counter arguments ?

I just asked if the 50+ pieces of incriminating evidence given to the courts in reply 1 are wrong, does that mean professors, experts, police officers & relatives worked together to create dozens of false reports, documents, witness statements & court testimonies ?
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