Did Julie Mugford (now Smerchanski) lie to the court?

[John]

David Shaw states in his letter of reply to Mike Teskowski that Julie Mugford is a liar.



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Julie Smerchanski (Mugford) on her return to the UK in 2002

[FredPerry]

What a load of nonsense! What police officers knew she was alive (she wasn't) and if she was, strange how Bamber forgot to mention this at the trial!!! It is this kind of rubbish that makes it hard to remain objective, take her out of the equation and you still have officers at the scene who thought this does not add up , She could  not have inflicted these injuries to Neville etc etc , all been said before but still true and I still question shooting yourself twice, and she could not have shot herself with silencer on.

Seriously reality check springs to mind!!!!

[chochokeira]

Is that an expression of barely suppressed triumphanlism on JM's face? She appears to be getting a power buzz from her controlling position in this case.

[John]

I wonder is that why no publishing company would ever consider publishing Shaw's manuscripts and why the 'book' has never seen the light of day?

Do you think David Shaw is a bit of a fantasist?

[John]

Is that an expression of barely suppressed triumphanlism on JM's face? She appears to be getting a power buzz from her controlling position in this case.

She is a really important person in educational circles in Winnipeg now Keira, there must have been brains as well as beauty?

[Jackiepreece]

She is a liar she lied in her first statement not only is she a liar she is an accomplished actress and liar as shown when she went blatently from shop to shop with the stolen cheque book on numerous occasions and a master manipulator JB hadn't stolen anything till he got mixed up with her.  I wonder whose idea it was for the caravan robbery.  Mugford anything for a quick buck.
As for your comment to Keira Harold shipman was an important and respected pillar of the community

Next john

[Jackiepreece]

Fred perry would you like to post the statements you obviously have in your position from the policeman that objected to the idea that it was a suicide and murders.  Please post as many as you can Fred dated before things started burnt.  I look forward as will most of the other members of the forum to reading them in detail

[Alias]

I am not saying this to be nasty; but in the photo from 2002 Julie is 37 years old - she looks so much older to me. Twenty years older. I wonder what has been on her mind to make her age so fast.
She is a strange and not at all a likeable person no matter how you look at this case. If she knew that Jeremy had committed the murders, take a look at the photo from the funeral. Comforting the killer - nice!

"Pillars of their communities" are always the worst. I never trust them. 

[Hartley]

........ JB hadn't stolen anything till he got mixed up with her.  I wonder whose idea it was for the caravan robbery.

This is taken from the 2002 Appeal Judgement. Are you suggesting that JM actually wanted to test the caravan park security?

The appellant admitted committing the burglary with Julie Mugford at the Osea Road Caravan Site on 23/24 March 1985 when £980 had been stolen. He said he had done it to prove that the security at the site was poor.

[Hartley]

This is also from the 2002 Appeal Judgement:

He admitted that the burglary at the caravan site had been motivated by greed and that by breaking a window and scattering papers around he had deliberately sought to give the impression it had been committed by somebody other than him.

[FredPerry]

Fred perry would you like to post the statements you obviously have in your position from the policeman that objected to the idea that it was a suicide and murders.  Please post as many as you can Fred dated before things started burnt.  I look forward as will most of the other members of the forum to reading them in detail

Obviously I can't, just like you cant post anything to prove he is innocent, the point is you suggest he was misled by Julie, Clearly not and my point is as above she was not the only reason Bamber got caught!
 

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley I think that's the type of response anyone might make when first accused he could have done a 'mugford' and said Julie showed him how easy it was to nick stuff and encouraged him maybe he had more integrity than that

It was the novice theif with the accomplished theif and you must be an amazing actress to pull of all the cheque frauds must be much harder when you are faced with the person you are stealing from.
The caravan park must have been a walk in the park for her

[Hartley]

Hartley I think that's the type of response anyone might make when first accused he could have done a 'mugford' and said Julie showed him how easy it was to nick stuff and encouraged him maybe he had more integrity than that

It was the novice theif with the accomplished theif and you must be an amazing actress to pull of all the cheque frauds must be much harder when you are faced with the person you are stealing from.
The caravan park must have been a walk in the park for her

Okay. I don't think this is going anywhere.

Two opposing opinions.

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley do you think I should have been a barrister?

[Hartley]

Hartley do you think I should have been a barrister?

I no longer think, in fear of upsetting someone.