Timed references, anomaly - an adjustment may be necessary in pursuit of Accurac

[Reader]

. . . it would have taken PC West the 5 minutes or so that he placed Jeremy on hold, before Jeremy told him what he told him, and the time it took for PC West to repeat what Jeremy told him, to Malcom Bonnett, before Bonnett could start to record what PC West had told him, that Jeremy had told PC West

Pc West stated clearly that he had a conversation with Jeremy before telling him to hold,which is consistent with Jeremy's description of what happened. Thus Pc West  had already been told the basic information that he passed on to Bonnett while Jeremy was on hold. This means that Jeremy's call to Pc West preceded Pc West's call to Bonnett by probably at least a minute. If Jeremy had called Pc West considerably earlier than 03:36, as some now claim, that time would have been 03:25 or 03:24, rather than 03:26, which wouldn't have left PC West sufficient time to take Jeremy's details, his reason for calling, etc., and call HQ using the exchange line, without the time being 03:27 when Bonnett wanted to enter it in his log. There is a slight possibility that Jeremy happened to call Pc West at only just after 03:26 and Pc West was then able to receive the details from Jeremy, put Jeremy on hold, dial the number for the police HQ and speak to Bonnett all within less than about a minute. A little extra time for this could have been available if the clock Pc West used was slightly fast and/or the clock that Bonnett used was slightly slow.

However, Pc West had been told that Sheila was aged about 27, whereas Bonnett noted Sheila's age as 26. Also, Pc West said that he asked Bonnett which police station covered the area where WHF is, but Bonnett makes no mention of this in his statements.

Neither Pc West nor Bonnett make any mention of having any difficulty in contacting one of the officers at Witham, yet it was not until 03:35 that Bonnett logged the departure of CA7.

[Jane]

Pc West stated clearly that he had a conversation with Jeremy before telling him to hold,which is consistent with Jeremy's description of what happened. Thus Pc West  had already been told the basic information that he passed on to Bonnett while Jeremy was on hold. This means that Jeremy's call to Pc West preceded Pc West's call to Bonnett by probably at least a minute. If Jeremy had called Pc West considerably earlier than 03:36, as some now claim, that time would have been 03:25 or 03:24, rather than 03:26, which wouldn't have left PC West sufficient time to take Jeremy's details, his reason for calling, etc., and call HQ using the exchange line, without the time being 03:27 when Bonnett wanted to enter it in his log. There is a slight possibility that Jeremy happened to call Pc West at only just after 03:26 and Pc West was then able to receive the details from Jeremy, put Jeremy on hold, dial the number for the police HQ and speak to Bonnett all within less than about a minute. A little extra time for this could have been available if the clock Pc West used was slightly fast and/or the clock that Bonnett used was slightly slow.

However, Pc West had been told that Sheila was aged about 27, whereas Bonnett noted Sheila's age as 26. Also, Pc West said that he asked Bonnett which police station covered the area where WHF is, but Bonnett makes no mention of this in his statements.

Neither Pc West nor Bonnett make any mention of having any difficulty in contacting one of the officers at Witham, yet it was not until 03:35 that Bonnett logged the departure of CA7.

Odd, don't you think, that not only did Jeremy not know Sheila's age, possibly giving it as 26 or 27, but if we're to believe that Nevill called the police, neither he nor Jeremy knew her married name?

[Adam]

The times are not really important anymore.

Reader said Bonnet was not taking calls from the public that night. So did not recieve a call from Nevill.

The only call received was by West, from Bamber.

West correctly classed Bamber's call as an emergency and rang it through to Bonnet. This matches Bamber  saying he was put on hold by West for several minutes.

West, Bonnet, Taff Jones and all other policeman have never said they received a call from Nevill.

[Reader]

. . . neither he nor Jeremy knew her married name?

Did June want Sheila to stop using her married name after her divorce?

The only call received was by West, from Bamber.

It seems Nevill preferred to call Chelmsford police station rather than dial 999 (assuming that he called) and that Pc West was later told to keep quiet about that call. Pc West didn't give the urgency of the call as his reason as his reason for calling HQ.

[Adam]

Did June want Sheila to stop using her married name after her divorce?
It seems Nevill preferred to call Chelmsford police station rather than dial 999 (assuming that he called) and that Pc West was later told to keep quiet about that call. Pc West didn't give the urgency of the call as his reason as his reason for calling HQ.

Lol. Yes both Nevill & Bamber preferred to call the 5th furthest away police station.

The CT argument is closed.  As you said Bonnett was not taking calls from the public that night.

[Reader]

Nevill could have tried to call Witham police, but not got a reply. To call Bonnett, he would have had to dial 999 and be put through via the British Telecom operator.

[Jane]

Did June want Sheila to stop using her married name after her divorce?
It seems Nevill preferred to call Chelmsford police station rather than dial 999 (assuming that he called) and that Pc West was later told to keep quiet about that call. Pc West didn't give the urgency of the call as his reason as his reason for calling HQ.

Surely what June wanted was neither here nor there. Unless there's proof to the contrary, it's reasonable to think Sheila might have wished to have had the same name as her boys.

[Adam]

Nevill could have tried to call Witham police, but not got a reply. To call Bonnett, he would have had to dial 999 and be put through via the British Telecom operator.

Oh so now Bonnett was taking calls from the public. However only if the person had dialled 999 first.  Didn't think a 999 operative would do that.

So Bonnett received a call from West, confirmed by Bamber who said he was put on hold. And a call from Nevill, which a 999 operative had put through to him.

Is there not a log from the 999 operative ? Must be one of the hidden documents.

[Caroline]

Odd, don't you think, that not only did Jeremy not know Sheila's age, possibly giving it as 26 or 27, but if we're to believe that Nevill called the police, neither he nor Jeremy knew her married name?

Yes, I have said this before - both logs contain exactly the same information just written in a different way.

[Reader]

The CT no longer suggest that Nevill dialled 999, thus implying that he telephoned Chelmsford police station. He could, of course, have already tried to contact another police station without getting a reply.

[Adam]

The CT no longer suggest that Nevill dialled 999, thus implying that he telephoned Chelmsford police station. He could, of course, have already tried to contact another police station without getting a reply.

But as you said, Bonnett was only taking calls from the public that had been transferred from a 999 operative.

The only way Nevill could get directly through to Bonnett is if it was like the Batman films. Where Chief Commissioner Gordon could dial a special number & Bruce Wayne's bat phone would ring.

Did Nevill have a special number for Bonnett in case his daughter who didn't live with him, tried to massacre his family ?

[Caroline]

The CT no longer suggest that Nevill dialled 999, thus implying that he telephoned Chelmsford police station. He could, of course, have already tried to contact another police station without getting a reply.

He seems to have spent quite a long while on the phone while Sheila is going crazy?

[Roch]

Nevill could have tried to call Witham police, but not got a reply. To call Bonnett, he would have had to dial 999 and be put through via the British Telecom operator.

Theory: Nevill may have telephoned police twice.

Once to notify West (which was witnessed by Cracknell and Norcup and resulted in CA5 & CA7).  The second call to 999 which was passed through to Bonnett.  Jeremy's call to West was sandwiched in between.   


When Jeremy couldn't get through to WHF, it was because of Neville's call to West. 

When West couldn't get through to WHF, it was because of Nevill's call to 999.

[Caroline]

Theory: Nevill may have telephoned police twice.

Once to notify West (which was witnessed by cracknell and Norcup and resulted in CA5 & CA7).  The second call to 999 which was passed through to Bonnett.  Jeremy's call to West was sandwiched in between.   When Jeremy couldn't get through to the farmhouse, it was because of Neville's call to West.  When West couldn't get through to WHF, it was because of Nevill's call to 999.

Where does it state that Nevill's call was witnessed by anyone? Neither West nor Bonnett have said they spoke to Nevill - quite the opposite. Does it not seem odd to you that whenever anyone tried to get through to Nevill, the phone was engaged and then low and behold, he just happened to leave it off the hook and when anyone listened in, they heard nothing?

Also, if West was worried about having to state he could have been wrong about the time of Jeremy's call, how come he was happy to keep completely quiet about Nevill's call - something that would put an innocent man in prison?

[Roch]

Where does it state that Nevill's call was witnessed by anyone? Neither West nor Bonnett have said they spoke to Nevill - quite the opposite. Does it not seem odd to you that whenever anyone tried to get through to Nevill, the phone was engaged and then low and behold, he just happened to leave it off the hook and when anyone listened in, they heard nothing?

Also, if West was worried about having to state he could have been wrong about the time of Jeremy's call, how come he was happy to keep completely quiet about Nevill's call - something that would put an innocent man in prison?

I'll have a go at answering later on.