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And the facts speak for themselves...

Hence, why as we look back at the present moment in time and we say, the occupants of CA07 left Witham police station at around 3.15am to deal with another Job, that Neville may have tried to contact Witham at around 3.20am, that Neville called Jeremy at around 5.25am, that Neville made the 3.26am call to the police, that Jeremy tried to ring Neville back at around 3.26am, that Jeremy unsuccessfully tried to contact Witham police station by 3.29am, that Jeremy called Julie at 3.30am, that the occupants of CA07 returned back to Witham police station by 3.34am, that they were deployed to the incident (3.35am) acting on behalf of the information passed to police earlier by Neville Bamber at 3.26am, that the occupants of CA05 were deployed to the scene at 3.36am, that Jeremy called Chelmsford police station at 3.36am, and was put on hold for 5 minutes, that 'PC West'', spoke to a female operator at 3.42am, that Jeremy left his cottage at 3.46am to go to the farmhouse, that at 3.48am the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene at 3.48am, that Jeremy himself arrived at the farmhouse by 3.52am, that the operator did not get back in touch with police until 3.56am to tell them that the phone inside the farmhouse was off the hook, that it was not until after Jeremy's arrival at the scene (3.52am) that he told the occupants of CA07 about the collection of shotguns and .410's kept by Neville inside the farmhouse, which was relayed back to the control room afterwards, the details of which were added to the (C1) Communications log, thereafter, and so on, and so forth...

Some of these timed events overlapped, or ran into, or out of the other events. There may have been periods of unreported activity in-between some of these events...

Jeremy's account regarding the 'engaged tone' he got when he tried to ring Neville back (between 3.25am and 3.27am), is further proven to be a truthful and an honest explanation, because of the following:-

The occupants of CA07 were deployed to the incident at the farmhouse between 3.34am and 3.36am (3.35am), prior to the call that Jeremy himself had made to Chelmsford police station (between 3.35am and 3.37am) at 3.36am. The appellate court accepted this as being mystifyingly true! This of course, was something which the appellate court concluded in the absence of the two phone call record contents, of Neville Bambers (C1) Communication log timed at 3.26am, and 'PC Wests' 3.36am, Police Message Report. Had the contents of these two phone logs been made readily available in 2002, I feel confident that the appellate court would have been compelled to conclude that the occupants of CA07 were deployed to the incident at the farmhouse, not only prior to Jeremy's call to police, was governed by the information received by PC West from Neville Bamber at 3.26am. I feel confident that the appellate court would have 'reasoned' that the contents of these two phone records had been 'made by different people', the first (3.26am) by Neville Bamber, the second (3.36am) made by Jeremy. Resolution of this conflict was 'the province of the jury', not by the trial judge, or by they 'themselves'. Simply, upon the basis that it had been a significant part of the prosecutions case that, had Sheila, Bambers sister, Neville's daughter, been running amok with 'the gun', or ' one of the guns belonging to Neville Bambers, he would have contacted the police, not Jeremy (the Son)? I feel confident that during the trial, the contents of both of these phone logs (3.26am, and the 3.36am calls) were not made available to the court, or to the defence team, otherwise, the defence would have certainly challenged 'that' assumption, that the existence of the 3.26am phone log contents, and Jeremy's 3.36am, phone log contents, undermined this feature in the prosecutions case, and that not only had Neville Bamber contacted Jeremy at around 3.25am (between 3.24am and 3.26am), but that Neville Bamber had very quickly terminated his call to Jeremy because his intention was only to alert Jeremy, before he called  police at 3.26am!!!

The existence of both phone records (3.26am, and 3.36am) were facts which the jury were entitled to know about, consider, and either reject, or accept, as being true!!!

The jury were deliberately denied the opportunity to consider this matter - not because of any 'fault' on behalf of the defence, but rather based upon the deliberate action of the prosecuting authorities!!!  They have to be held accountable for this deception, no-one else. The only reason both phone log contents (3.26am, and 3.36am) were not disclosed by the prosecution authorities during or before the October 1986 trial, because to have done so, not only undermined their own arguments, but more importantly it showed in clear unambiguous terms, that Jeremy Bamber had told the truth, that he was telling the truth, and that these convictions had been, were secured by a 'dishonest' approach on their part...

A jury should have decided 'these facts', but alas, the prosecuting authorities chose to play 'god' they took it upon themselves to withhold the contents of the two separate phone logs (3.26am, versus the 3.36am). This, as I feel sure all those currently in the 'guilty camp' , will agree that this approach was 'inpropper'!!!
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Neville Bambers call to PC West between 3.25am and 3.27am (3.26am) could not have been made by Jeremy because the occupants of CA07 (Bews, Myall, and Saxby) were deployed to the incident at the farmhouse between 3.34am and 3.36am (3.35am), before Jeremy made his own call to Chelmsford police station, between 3.35am and 3.37am (3.36am). The gist of what Jeremy eventually told PC West, as per the 3.36am Police Message Report, is consistent (father to son, about sons sister) with what Nevilee told PC West at 3.26am, as per the (C1) Communications log (what father told police) written out by Bonnett. What Neville told Jeremy, was repeated by Neville using different words when he spoke to PC West, than the words he used when speaking to Jeremy beforehand! When Jeremy eventually spoke to PC West, he recounted as close as possible the words spoken to him by Neville, and PC West recorded what Jeremy said Neville had had time to say. Jeremy is excluded from making the 3.26am call to PC West, by virtue of the fact that he himself had not called the police at Chelmsford until after the occupants of CA07 had been deployed to the scene from Witham police station at 3.35am...

Nothing could be any clearer...

Not only could the 3.26am call only have been made by Neville Bamber, but the message he passed on that occasion are couched in the words he would have use when reporting the matter to the police about his daughter...
« Last Edit: January 12, 2017, 05:55:PM by mike tesko »
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When Neville contacted Jeremy, he would not have referred to Sheila, as his daughter, he would have spoken about her either by her name, 'Sheila', or said your 'Sisters' got he gun, or 'She has' got the gun. When Jeremy relayed what Neville told him, Jeremy wouldn't have said, 'my (dads) daughter has got one of his guns'. Of course not, and PC West would not have reported to Malcom Bonnett it differently. Besides Jeremy didn't call Chelmsford police station until after the occupants of CA07 were deployed to the incident from Witham police station at 3.35am, so there is nothing to argue. The 3.26am call was a different call altogether than the 3.36am call by Jeremy. It had to be...
« Last Edit: January 12, 2017, 06:02:PM by mike tesko »
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Since Jeremy did not leave his cottage until between 3.45 and 3.47am (3.46am) to go to the farmhouse, the occupants of CA07 could not be notified that Jeremy had been sent to the farmhouse to meet the police, until after the occupants of CA07 were already en route to the incident (already some 10 minutes into their journey...
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Since Jeremy did not leave his cottage until between 3.45 and 3.47am (3.46am) to go to the farmhouse, the occupants of CA07 could not be notified that Jeremy had been sent to the farmhouse to meet the police, until after the occupants of CA07 were already en route to the incident (already some 10 minutes into their journey...

PC West did not contact the female operator between 3.41am, and 3.43am (3.42am), until after the occupants of CA07 and CA05 had all been deployed to the farmhouse. This was whilst West still had Jeremy on the line after 3.36am...
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CA07 occupants, were at the heart of'everything' capable of undermining the prosecutions case against Jeremy Bamber!

(1) - they were deployed from Witham police station to the incident at the farmhouse between 3.34am and 3.36am (3.35am) acting upon information which Jeremy Bamber 'could not'  have given to police in time for that to happen. So, without question, where did police get 'that' information from? Was it obtained from Neville Bamber in his 3.26am call? Or, the attack alarm which Special Branch had installed at the farm because of 'threats to kill Neville Bamber and his family?

(2) - CA07 were involved n the sighting of the figure seen moving around in the main bedroom via the window, which Bews has since described as nothing but 'a trick of light'. Of course, if he had said it was a person he had seen, Jeremy would never have been put on trial...

(3) - CA07 relayed the key messages from the scene back to the control room, particularly the 7.37am message, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, found upon entry', the 7.38am message, 'one dead male, one dead female', and at 8.10am, 'after a thorough search, a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'...

How suspicious is all of that?
« Last Edit: January 12, 2017, 08:08:PM by mike tesko »
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CA07 occupants, were at the heart of'everything' capable of undermining the prosecutions case against Jeremy Bamber!

(1) - they were deployed from Witham police station to the incident at the farmhouse between 3.34am and 3.36am (3.35am) acting upon information which Jeremy Bamber 'could not'  have given to police in time for that to happen. So, without question, where did police get 'that' information from? Was it obtained from Neville Bamber in his 3.26am call? Or, the attack alarm which Special Branch had installed at the farm because of 'threats to kill Neville Bamber and his family?

The mystery of the two telephone calls to police, one by Neville Bamber at 3.26am, and the other by Jeremy to police at 3.36am relate directly to this event!
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CA07 occupants, were at the heart of'everything' capable of undermining the prosecutions case against Jeremy Bamber!

(2) - CA07 were involved in the sighting of the figure seen moving around in the main bedroom via the window, which Bews has since described as nothing but 'a trick of light'. Of course, if he had said it was a person he had seen, Jeremy would never have been put on trial...

Bews and Myall could have provided Jeremy Bamber with an alibi, simply by telling the truth regarding what they had witnessed via the main bedroom window. A living person, moving around in the main bedroom, at a time that Jeremy was outside in the grounds of the farmhouse, in the company of two police officers. This being true, how could Jeremy have killed everyone in the farmhouse, have staged the scene to make it look like his sister had killed the others, before he phoned Chelmsford police at 3.36am?
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The mystery of the two telephone calls to police, one by Neville Bamber at 3.26am, and the other by Jeremy to police at 3.36am relate directly to this event!
Myall and Bews both say it was 3.45am?

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Myall and Bews both say it was 3.45am?

Justice, I'm frightfully confused with all these disparate timings but it's good fun trying to work them out. A jury would be totally confused but I guess that would work in the prosecution's favour...................or do I mean the defence's?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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CA07 occupants, were at the heart of'everything' capable of undermining the prosecutions case against Jeremy Bamber!

(3) - CA07 relayed the key messages from the scene back to the control room, particularly the 7.37am message, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, found upon entry', the 7.38am message, 'one dead male, one dead female', and at 8.10am, 'after a thorough search, a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'...

The occupants of CA07 relayed this key information from the scene to the control room. They knew that two bodies were found upon entry, a male, and a female. They knew that by 8.10am, there were only three bodies upstairs. 14 months later, when the matter came to trial, the occupants of CA07 remained tight lipped when the prosecution outlined it's case, 'one body downstairs in the kitchen, and four bodies upstairs'. Staff in the control room at the time CA07 passed the key messages, 7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am, never came forward to testify on the defendants behalf that the body count of victims downstairs, and upstairs, had dramatically changed after 8.10am, that morning...
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I bet Bamber wishes Sheila had gone crazy earlier in the day. When Bamber was on the farm or with other people. He would then have an alibi.

It's bad luck he was alone in bed when Sheila went crazy. At 3am.
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Myall and Bews both say it was 3.45am?

What are you saying happenned at 3.45am, according to Bews, and Myall?
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Why did CA07 pass these key messages (7.37am, 7.38am and 8.10am), if the contents were not true?
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Why did CA07 pass these key messages (7.37am, 7.38am and 8.10am), if the contents were not true?

Who did they get this information from? And, who did they pass it to?
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