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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #150 on: October 10, 2018, 09:52:PM »
Lundy's appeal was dismissed today.

http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/lundy-v-r/@@images/fileDecision?r=405.381746405
I think it's the right decision, though it's strange the Crown got away with a new case second time around (points 115 and 116). In 357 there are some points which must have sowed doubt in some jury members. Personally I think it's written all over his face the carnage of that August night, the sight of those heads horribly maimed by a tomahawk weapon indelibly etched in his mind. https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/368259/mark-lundy-s-convictions-for-murder-of-wife-daughter-upheld
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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #151 on: October 10, 2018, 10:01:PM »
I think it's the right decision, though it's strange the Crown got away with a new case second time around (points 115 and 116). In 357 there are some points which must have sowed doubt in some jury members. Personally I think it's written all over his face the carnage of that August night, the sight of those heads horribly maimed by a tomahawk weapon indelibly etched in his mind. https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/368259/mark-lundy-s-convictions-for-murder-of-wife-daughter-upheld


i dont they really presnted a credible motive the motive was suposed to be financial but the maths dont really add up.

of course he could of done it in a fit of tmper but as far as i know he had no history of violence.
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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #152 on: October 10, 2018, 10:26:PM »

i dont they really presnted a credible motive the motive was suposed to be financial but the maths dont really add up.

of course he could of done it in a fit of tmper but as far as i know he had no history of violence.
No that's true. Apparently he had taken out a loan on a vineyard, which he was hoping to cover with his wife's insurance money from her death. https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/mark-lundy-trial-hears-of-couple-s-mounting-debts-6235780

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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #153 on: October 12, 2018, 05:59:PM »
I've finally found the Bryan Bruce video, which examines the case in detail and includes a contribution from Professor Bernard Knight of the Jeremy Bamber trial fame.

. https://youtu.be/6spm3zusUP0
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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #154 on: October 13, 2018, 09:27:AM »
Looks like he's guilty as charged. The murders could easily have been carried out in the early hours of the morning (30th)
Plus his Ford car, 27 litres of petrol to go a 100ks. And I thought my Ford Falcon was bad on gas.
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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #155 on: October 13, 2018, 06:59:PM »
Looks like he's guilty as charged. The murders could easily have been carried out in the early hours of the morning (30th)
Plus his Ford car, 27 litres of petrol to go a 100ks. And I thought my Ford Falcon was bad on gas.
There's an article here which does express some doubt about the second trial. I never understood the petrol stuff fully- if he filled up from a jerry-can this would put the calculations out. There was also the unidentified male DNA and fibres under Christine and Amber's fingernails, the puzzle as to how the brain tissue came to be on the T-shirt had he worn overalls, there was some different shade of blue paint found on the bodies which the Prosecution couldn't link to the house, the murder weapon and jewellery box which were never found, and the changes the Prosecution made to their case second time around.


I still think he's guilty, mainly because of the insurance money, the timing of the crime when he happened to be away from the house and the unlikelihood of an intruder killing for nothing when most burglars just want to enter and exit a property in the shortest time. I don't know why but I always thought the garage was contiguous to the house so it was revealing in Bruce's film that the tools were located in a locked garage separate from the main house. https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/documents/uploaded-documents/Lundy_Retrial.pdf

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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #156 on: October 14, 2018, 08:51:AM »
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This was
supplemented by evidence that Mr Lundy had filled his car with petrol on
the afternoon of 29 August and of fuel consumption when the police drove Mr Lundy’s
car the distance he claimed he had travelled after filling up. The Crown contended
that if he had only travelled the distance he claimed he would have used fuel at the
rate of 27 litres per 100 km, approximately twice the normal rate that might have been
anticipated. On the other hand, his actual fuel consumption was consistent with
the Crown’s case of him travelling at speed to and from Palmerston North.

I presume Lundy filled his car up and paid with a credit card or EFTPOS. Had he filled up using jerry cans and paying by cash the above theory wouldn't exist.
The Brain Tissue possibly got on Lundy's T shirt from his hands/ fingers when he removed his overalls.

Once the time of death relative to the stomach contents had been discredited, it made the Prosecution's case easier.

I never knew there was unidentified male DNA under Amber & Christine's finger nails. If this is true
One theory is that the murders were carried out by a person or persons trying to retrieve a debt.
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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #157 on: October 14, 2018, 03:11:PM »
I presume Lundy filled his car up and paid with a credit card or EFTPOS. Had he filled up using jerry cans and paying by cash the above theory wouldn't exist.
The Brain Tissue possibly got on Lundy's T shirt from his hands/ fingers when he removed his overalls.

Once the time of death relative to the stomach contents had been discredited, it made the Prosecution's case easier.

I never knew there was unidentified male DNA under Amber & Christine's finger nails. If this is true
One theory is that the murders were carried out by a person or persons trying to retrieve a debt.
I do believe the correct verdict was reached, but what a cock-up the Prosecution made of the first trial. The suspicion remains that pathologist James Pang tailored his evidence to what Police wanted. As for Lundy's alibi it only needed one CCTV camera or somebody at the address to spot him and he was finished, as the article states.

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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #158 on: October 14, 2018, 09:46:PM »
The suspicion remains that pathologist James Pang tailored his evidence to what Police wanted.


No he didn't. Pang made a ballsup over the time of death and the prosecution had to create an impossible timeframe around it. Come the second trial the prosecution had the correct timeline.


"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #159 on: October 14, 2018, 09:52:PM »
As for Lundy's alibi it only needed one CCTV camera or somebody at the address to spot him and he was finished, as the article states.

Lundy has no alibi. His whereabouts from 12:50am to 9:00am are unaccounted for.


So


He is either driving to Palmerston north then returning back to his motel after killing his wife and kid or he is sleeping in the motel the whole night.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2018, 09:53:PM by David1819 »
"Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is."

"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #160 on: October 15, 2018, 06:35:PM »
Lundy has no alibi. His whereabouts from 12:50am to 9:00am are unaccounted for.


So


He is either driving to Palmerston north then returning back to his motel after killing his wife and kid or he is sleeping in the motel the whole night.
You're almost right. He asked the receptionist at the motel for razor batteries at 7am, though the window of opportunity is still large if you accept the new Prosecution thesis. https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/mark-lundy-murder-retrial-day-28-2015031912

Another interesting point is that Lundy might well have been seen near the murder scene by lorry driver Nigel Winiata, but his testimony was dismissed by Police before the first trial as they were fixed on the earlier time for the crime. https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/weekend-herald/20180915/281818579733237

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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #161 on: October 15, 2018, 10:56:PM »
the motive was suposed to be insurance money now that would explian him killing his wife doesnt explian why he would killl hes kid.
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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #162 on: October 15, 2018, 11:11:PM »
Looks like he's guilty as charged. The murders could easily have been carried out in the early hours of the morning (30th)
Plus his Ford car, 27 litres of petrol to go a 100ks. And I thought my Ford Falcon was bad on gas.

was a time of death ever established.

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Re: Mark Lundy
« Reply #163 on: October 16, 2018, 07:37:AM »
was a time of death ever established.

No a time of death has never really been established. Some time between buying the McDonalds take away and when the bodies were found, about a 15 hour window.

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« Reply #164 on: October 16, 2018, 12:51:PM »
No a time of death has never really been established. Some time between buying the McDonalds take away and when the bodies were found, about a 15 hour window.

are so his albi isnt exactly perfect then.