Forensic evidence on Sheila:

[guest154]

She has indeed included that but I don't recall that she stated it as a proven fact -I'm certain she wouldn't have been that expansive- I think it was along the lines of it having been rumoured. It wasn't explored, which makes me think she put as much credence on it as I.

To me, Jane, It doesn't matter WHO has said it and whether they are a supporter or a guilter, I don't believe it and that's for many reasons.  What the heck was Sheila doing with the drugs, baking?? I've never heard of a dealer who would let someones debt get that high. I don't believe Sheila has a 40 k drug debt, I wouldn't believe Jeremy had a 40 k drug debt and I wouldn't believe Jeremy AND Sheila between them could have a 40k drug debt, no way.

I am sure it was one of the MANY silly things, like village gossip, that went around at the time -  a bit like Chinese whispers.  CAL mentioning it as rumoured makes sense because that's all it ever was.

[Jane]

To me, Jane, It doesn't matter WHO has said it and whether they are a supporter or a guilter, I don't believe it and that's for many reasons.  What the heck was Sheila doing with the drugs, baking?? I've never heard of a dealer who would let someones debt get that high. I don't believe Sheila has a 40 k drug debt, I wouldn't believe Jeremy had a 40 k drug debt and I wouldn't believe Jeremy AND Sheila between them could have a 40k drug debt, no way.

I am sure it was one of the MANY silly things, like village gossip, that went around at the time -  a bit like Chinese whispers.  CAL mentioning it as rumoured makes sense because that's all it ever was.

I agree entirely, Mat. Had there been more to it, CAL would have made more of it, NOT just mention it in one tiny, unlisted paragraph.

[Steve_uk]

I agree entirely, Mat. Had there been more to it, CAL would have made more of it, NOT just mention it in one tiny, unlisted paragraph.

But she does do that when she discusses Sheila's conversation with Dr. Ferguson about wanting to harm her children. However I don't believe Sheila did run up such a high debt: wasn't Freddi Emani her de facto drug dealer? Sheila's Maida Vale friends didn't know anything of it when approached by Clare Powell.

[Jane]

But she does do that when she discusses Sheila's conversation with Dr. Ferguson about wanting to harm her children. However I don't believe Sheila did run up such a high debt: wasn't Freddi Emani her de facto drug dealer? Sheila's Maida Vale friends didn't know anything of it when approached by Clare Powell.

Steve, I think the situations are rather different. In saying that she was in conversation with Dr Ferguson about Sheila's mental health, she is able -and willing- to name her source. Re the alleged country house burglaries, it may have been a case of "There were rumoured to have been.................." and just as an afterthought -and CAL clearly didn't think it was worth mentioning-  how would Sheila, a non driver, have reached these country houses to rob them? Had she been there as a guest "a string of.............." sounds a little excessive, especially as she seems to have been more involved with psychiatric problems over two or more years and would hardly have been concerned about what dress she should wear.

[lookout]

She has indeed included that but I don't recall that she stated it as a proven fact -I'm certain she wouldn't have been that expansive- I think it was along the lines of it having been rumoured. It wasn't explored, which makes me think she put as much credence on it as I.

I have just been through the index and looked at all listings re her drug use. It isn't listed. I flicked through the book looking for the paragraph which mentioned it. So far I haven't found it although I recall seeing it. What I DON'T recall seeing was the legend that there had been "a string of burglaries from country houses" for which Sheila was responsible.

I haven't got her book,but from an extract which appeared in the Daily Mail,the actual paragraph began thus : quote," She had a wild social life that resulted in a £40,000 drug debt linking her to a string of country house burglaries,unquote ".

[guest154]

I haven't got her book,but from an extract which appeared in the Daily Mail,the actual paragraph began thus : quote," She had a wild social life that resulted in a £40,000 drug debt linking her to a string of country house burglaries,unquote ".

Completely out of context, Lookout!  CAL was talking about the press and their wild stories about Sheila that were sweeping the press like wild fire.


Infact give me a couple of minutes and I will post the actual page, in order to put a stop to this and to show what CAL is saying.

[lookout]

Why even mention the bloody thing if there's no truth in it ? Where did the idea come from and who'd " suggested " that it be mentioned ?
It would make me question the rest of the book so far as the supposed written truth was concerned.

[guest154]

Why even mention the bloody thing if there's no truth in it ? Where did the idea come from and who'd " suggested " that it be mentioned ?
It would make me question the rest of the book so far as the supposed written truth was concerned.

She clearly says it is from press stories at the time AND that those who knew Sheila said there was no truth to it.

[guest154]

[lookout]

So you don't believe what the papers say ? Mmmm,they spun enough lies about Jeremy which most believed to be the truth ! Strange that.

[Caroline]

Experts were disagreeing at one stage during Sheila's inquest. Mr Ismail had stated that there was blood on Sheila's right hand which had transferred onto her nightdress.Mr Vanezis stated that there was no blood on Sheila's right hand.

What is anyone supposed to believe when you have two experts who don't even agree ?

I think you have read this VERY wrong Lookout. Yes, Ismail does argue that the print on Sheila's nightdress was a hand print (which to me is obvious!), however, because Venezis had stated that Sheila's hands were clean at post mortem, Ismail concluded that someone else must have made the print. However, he was NOT arguing this at the inquest.  Martyn Ismail was an expert witness for the prosecution at the 2002 appeal, Ismail was the man who stated that the CS pictures indicated, Sheila had been moved 'after death' (legs pulled). He was invited to give NEW Evidence on behalf of the prosecution by Mr Temple QC. His evidence was objected to by Mr Turner QC working on behalf of the defence. 

People can read this for themselves beginning at 515 of the 2002 appeal document http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[guest154]

So you don't believe what the papers say ? Mmmm,they spun enough lies about Jeremy which most believed to be the truth ! Strange that.

It depends on the source. They have a very good point with negative stories about Bamber, he is a convicted child killer.

[Jane]

She clearly says it is from press stories at the time AND that those who knew Sheila said there was no truth to it.

Mat, THANK YOU. I KNEW CAL would NEVER make that suggestion. How, in God's name, could she possibly make such an allegation? It's as I thought. She was quoting what the papers were putting about.

[Jane]

So you don't believe what the papers say ? Mmmm,they spun enough lies about Jeremy which most believed to be the truth ! Strange that.

Jeremy was found guilty. Sheila wasn't.

[guest154]

Mat, THANK YOU. I KNEW CAL would NEVER make that suggestion. How, in God's name, could she possibly make such an allegation? It's as I thought. She was quoting what the papers were putting about.

You're welcome, I didn't doubt your recollection for a second and your explanation has been validated.

I did see this letter in the book, from Bamber to CAL.




" I won't let anyone prosecute her (sheila) as some sort of evil lunatic"

Has Bamber been reading the forums??