Exhibits from the family

[scipio_usmc]

Peter Eaton- (received Aug 12, 1985)

Nevill's moderator- SBJ/1, renumbered DB/1, renumbered DRB/1

Ann Eaton:

AE/1 the telescopic rifle scope (renamed DB/2 and ultimately DRB/2)

AE/2 box containing Abu carrier Bag and rifle ammunition (renamed DB/3 and ultimately  DRB/3)

CAE/1 Letter from Sheila to AE that was mailed from the hospital during her second breakdown (turned over to police on Aug 7, 1985)

CAE/1A Plan of the Caravan site prepared for Police

CAE/2 Notecard containing statements made by Jeremy the day of the murders

CAE/3 kitchen plan showing normal positions of the victims when they sat at the kitchen table

CAE/4 Notecard from August 8, 1985

CAE/5 List of questions prepared for police officers

CAE/6 Spare Key removed from coal shed by Jean Boutell and handed over to AE

CAE/7 Card from flowers sent by Jeremy to the Eatons

CAE/8 AJ/Barker circular found in rubbish bin

David Boutflour (rcd Sep 14, 1985)

Large Box of Raker shotgun shells containing 14 X 25 round boxes initial exhibit HGO/1, renamed DB/4 and subsequently DRB/4.

If anyone knows any others feel free to add to the list. 

Robert Boutflour

RWB/1 Diary

[lookout]

So where do you think this is going to lead to ? What relevance is all this ?

[Caroline]

So where do you think this is going to lead to ? What relevance is all this ?

It's called clarification.

[lookout]

It's called clarification.

Of what,or whose ?

[Caroline]

Of what,or whose ?

The list is self explanatory Lookout.

[scipio_usmc]

So where do you think this is going to lead to ? What relevance is all this ?

Edification PARTICULARLY since some falsely claim AE/1, CAE/1 and SJ/1 among other designations were given to moderators collected from the family and/or WHF and some distort the designation history of other exhibits taken from the family as well. 

In assessing whether there was any wrongdoing afoot during the moderator designation changes it is relevant that 3 other items were also changed to the DB designation at the same time as the moderator and the same 3 were later changed to the DRB designation at the same time as the moderator.

[lookout]

Nothing new.The case was built on false claims.

[scipio_usmc]

Nothing new.The case was built on false claims.

You and other Jeremy supporters allege such but the only evidence put forth to try to support such allegations has been nonsense such as nonsense this very thread is intended to set straight.  The only thing you have raised to attack the case has been bogus for instance the false claim June and Nevill had nail marks from Sheila in their arms.  Many Jeremy supporters feel the need to make things up because there is no genuine evidence to undermine the conviction.  Few are willing to go with rational allegations because there is nothing to support those allegations and those allegations fail to address most of the evidence that convicted Jeremy.  Instead there are nonsense claims of Nevill phoning police and claims of Sheila being shot by police and her body staged...

Supporters even absurdly suggest there is something wrong with removing the gun from Sheila's body and then taking photos. Supporters try to twist that into some conspiracy though they are unable to articulate what difference it makes.  The suggestion seems to be that police lied about finding the gun on Sheila's body in order to support their claim she did it.  This is supposed to prove they tried to frame her and because they were willing to try to frame her it means they must have been willing to try to frame Jeremy. It makes no sense at all that they would try to frame her and if they did decide to do such they would have never decided to go after Jeremy they would simply have stuck with her and made up further evidence.  In the meantime if she wasn't guilty clearly Jeremy was.  The notion someone outside the household did it is not the least bit credible. 

All these smokescreens are because there is zero evidence that police found evidence establishing: Sheila loaded the weapon, fired the weapon or beat Nevill and then concealed such evidence.  Indeed if such evidence had been found it would have been pointed out during the initially 3 weeks that they blamed Sheila.  The failure to find any such evidence and proof that she didn't do any of these things is why they had to switch gears and face they were wrong about her.  If there were evidence that police concealed proof of Sheila's guilt such would be raised by Jeremy supporters. There is none so instead smokescreens and deceptions are resorted to.

[Jan]

"Supporters even absurdly suggest there is something wrong with removing the gun from Sheila's body and then taking photos"


you said before they did not do this? then you said they would have made the rifle safe before taking photos.

Of course it is relevant - if the jury were shown pictures that "allegedly" showed a clearly set up suicide and that influenced their decision, but in fact things had been moved about and what they saw was not the original scene then of course it is relevant.

[Caroline]

"Supporters even absurdly suggest there is something wrong with removing the gun from Sheila's body and then taking photos"


you said before they did not do this? then you said they would have made the rifle safe before taking photos.

Of course it is relevant - if the jury were shown pictures that "allegedly" showed a clearly set up suicide and that influenced their decision, but in fact things had been moved about and what they saw was not the original scene then of course it is relevant.

They moved the gun to take pictures of the blood on Sheila's nightdress and haven't denied doing so. There were pictures before it was moved and after. Had they not taken pictures of the blood stain, people would be asking why they hadn't.

[scipio_usmc]

"Supporters even absurdly suggest there is something wrong with removing the gun from Sheila's body and then taking photos"


you said before they did not do this? then you said they would have made the rifle safe before taking photos.

Of course it is relevant - if the jury were shown pictures that "allegedly" showed a clearly set up suicide and that influenced their decision, but in fact things had been moved about and what they saw was not the original scene then of course it is relevant.

I have always admitted police took the gun off her to take photos of the blood that was covered up by the rifle.  I never said they didn't.  There was nothing wrong with doing such it was proper procedure.
They took photos of her with the gun on her then removed it and took photos of her without it.

The killer did indeed place the gun on Sheila to make it appear she killed herself.  If the killer had instead left it next to her body that still was to make it appear she killed herself.  It makes no difference if it had been left on her or next to her.  The fact she could not have killed herself and didn't kill anyone else helps prove Jeremy killed them all.  The fact Nevill would not have made a call to Jeremy claiming he needed help disarming Sheila and could not have made a call to Jeremy help prove he murdered them.  Julie's testimony that he was planning to kill them and did so helps prove he did it.  The gun being found on her body instead of next to is not what convicted Jeremy but for the sake of accuracy it was on her body.

[lookout]

 However the rifle was positioned does NOT mean that Jeremy killed all the family-------PROVE IT !!

[scipio_usmc]

However the rifle was positioned does NOT mean that Jeremy killed all the family-------PROVE IT !!

The location of the rifle was only important so far as it had to at least be close to Sheila in order to try fooling police into thinking she killed herself.  Quite clearly she could not have killed herself with a gun far away from her body because she instantly died from her second wound and would not have been able to have moved her body far away before dying.

You seem to have a complete lack of reading comprehension skills because with the exception of Jeremy supporters such as Jan no one has suggested that the gun being on her body as opposed to next to it had any bearing on proving who the killer was.

[Caroline]

However the rifle was positioned does NOT mean that Jeremy killed all the family-------PROVE IT !!

Errrm, given that Jeremy is already convicted, I think the onus is on those who think is innocent to PROVE IT!!

[scipio_usmc]

Errrm, given that Jeremy is already convicted, I think the onus is on those who think is innocent to PROVE IT!!

Her argument is a strawman argument, no one suggested the location of the gun on her body is proof that she didn't kill herself but rather that Jeremy killed everyone.

This is what I actually wrote:

"All these smokescreens are because there is zero evidence that police found evidence establishing: Sheila loaded the weapon, fired the weapon or beat Nevill and then concealed such evidence.  Indeed if such evidence had been found it would have been pointed out during the initially 3 weeks that they blamed Sheila.  The failure to find any such evidence and proof that she didn't do any of these things is why they had to switch gears and face they were wrong about her.  If there were evidence that police concealed proof of Sheila's guilt such would be raised by Jeremy supporters. There is none so instead smokescreens and deceptions are resorted to."

Lookout and many other supporters always try changing the subject from the proper inquiry because they have no evidence to establish Sheila loaded a gun, fired a gun, or beat Nevill and such proof is what is needed to establish Sheila committed the murders as opposed to Jeremy. They have nothing to refute the evidence that says Sheila can't have killed herself.  So what they do is ignore the actual evidence and create strawman arguments that they attack.