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Michael Fielder Proven liar
« on: June 06, 2015, 11:18:PM »
      Much has been of the allegations made by Michael Fielder. Those who believe Jeremy Bamber innocent largely disbelieve Fielder's story on the grounds that he plied his trade for such a disreputable rag and his story does not really appear credible and in fact bears an uncanny resemblance to the type of stories that appeared in the Sun that were nothing more than propaganda pieces on behalf of those in authority.
      Those who believe Bamber guilty tend to believe Fielder. I have said before that even if I believed him guilty that this story is so unbelievable and it's source so unreliable that I would dismiss it anyway.
      Proponents of Bamber's guilt claim that just because Fielder worked for the Sun that it doesn't prove that he is a liar and his willingness to give a witness statement and to appear on a trashy documentary repeating his story somehow supports his claims.
      After a little research on Fielder it appears that guilty supporters ought now to perhaps think twice before defending him.
      The following is an example of Fielder's "journalism" or what more objective observers would describe as propagandising for those in authority.
     On 6th March 1988 three IRA members were killed by a SAS squad in Gibraltar. The killings caused much noise and controversy at the time and were reported on with the usual restraint that you expect from the tabloid press. MOD and British Government press briefings were reported uncritically by most of the media without question claiming the men were armed and were in possession of a 500lb bomb. A documentary was aired two months after the killings called "Death on the Rock" which cast doubt on the official claims.
     The following is lifted verbatim from "Murder on the Rock".
     "Of all the civilian witnesses to the Gibraltar murders, Carmen Proetta's evidence was potentially some of the most damning for the government.
  Carmen Proetta told Death on the Rock that she had seen McCann and Farrell shot without warning with their hands in the air. As soon as her evidence became publicly known she was subjected to a campaign of threats and a barrage of press lies. The pressure on her was so enormous, that despite being one of the most strongly determined of the witnesses to speak out, she told the inquest:
  "Let me tell you one thing, sir, if this happened again I would not be here to give evidence"
  The day after Death on the Rock was broadcast, her husband received a phone call from a man claiming to be a policeman. He told him that the family's lives would be "made a misery". The Proetta children also received threats.
  But it was left to the British press to apply the real pressure. For no other reason than that she had inconvenient testimony, the press, particularly the Murdoch owned press, viciously attacked her. The Sunday Times launched a series of articles purporting to show that her story was untrue and saying that other witnesses had called her testimony ridiculous. This, like virtually every other word published by the Sunday Times about Gibraltar, was a pack of lies.
  The Sun, however, went even further. Two days after Death on the Rock was broadcast they printed a front page with a picture of  Carmen Proetta headlined "Tart of Gib". It said in bold letters: "Sun discovers shock truth about IRA witness Carmen... she's an ex prostitute, runs an escort agency and is married to a sleazy drug peddler". As well as suddenly making Carmen an "IRA" witness they also said that both she and her husband were anti British.
  As is normal the Sun had concocted a story based on distortions and outright lies. For example, the escort agency was a tourist agency and Proetta's only connection was that she lent her name as a director in order that the company could comply with Spanish law.....
  In December 1988 Mrs Proetta was awarded £50,000 damages against the Sun. However this came too late to undo the damage done to her evidence at the inquest. Not only was she put under enormous pressure but her testimony, when it finally came at the inquest, must have been devalued in the eyes of the jury. The British press, remembering the "Tart of Gib" headline were more interested in her split skirt than her evidence.

   The Sun reporter who wrote the "Tart of Gib" story was none other than Michael Fielding.
   It is now established that Fielder is a liar who worked for a newspaper that peddled lies on behalf of the authorities and that he in fact peddled those lies on their behalf.
   We are then expected to believe that Jeremy Bamber having killed all of his family then attempted to sell nude/pornographic pictures of his dead sister to a reporter who worked for a news organisation that routinely colluded with the police to pervert the course of justice all on the say so of a proven liar and professional smearer who worked for a newspaper that routinely lies on behalf of those in power.
  The defence that Fielder has never been shown to be a liar is no longer valid. He has knowingly lied about and smeared innocent people on behalf of powerful vested interests and this has been established by the successful libel action of Carmen Proetta. The paper that he worked for routinely lie on behalf of the police and powerful interests.
  Fielder's word and that of the Sun are both worth less than nothing and those who believe the Fielder allegations do so because they believe it helps their cause rather than based on an honest and objective appraisal of what is known.
  Believing Fielder flies in the face of reason. There are more sleaze and lies that he is involved in but I am sure that posters can discover this for themselves. 

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2015, 11:22:PM »
oh yes i remember that it was totally made up i dident know it was filder who wrote it though.

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2015, 11:25:PM »
oh yes i remember that it was totally made up i dident know it was filder who wrote it though.
  Nor did I until I read up on it today nugs. Just google fielder tart of gib and you get a few links.

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2015, 11:36:PM »
very good find.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2015, 12:08:AM »
      Much has been of the allegations made by Michael Fielder. Those who believe Jeremy Bamber innocent largely disbelieve Fielder's story on the grounds that he plied his trade for such a disreputable rag and his story does not really appear credible and in fact bears an uncanny resemblance to the type of stories that appeared in the Sun that were nothing more than propaganda pieces on behalf of those in authority.
      Those who believe Bamber guilty tend to believe Fielder. I have said before that even if I believed him guilty that this story is so unbelievable and it's source so unreliable that I would dismiss it anyway.
      Proponents of Bamber's guilt claim that just because Fielder worked for the Sun that it doesn't prove that he is a liar and his willingness to give a witness statement and to appear on a trashy documentary repeating his story somehow supports his claims.
      After a little research on Fielder it appears that guilty supporters ought now to perhaps think twice before defending him.
      The following is an example of Fielder's "journalism" or what more objective observers would describe as propagandising for those in authority.
     On 6th March 1988 three IRA members were killed by a SAS squad in Gibraltar. The killings caused much noise and controversy at the time and were reported on with the usual restraint that you expect from the tabloid press. MOD and British Government press briefings were reported uncritically by most of the media without question claiming the men were armed and were in possession of a 500lb bomb. A documentary was aired two months after the killings called "Death on the Rock" which cast doubt on the official claims.
     The following is lifted verbatim from "Murder on the Rock".
     "Of all the civilian witnesses to the Gibraltar murders, Carmen Proetta's evidence was potentially some of the most damning for the government.
  Carmen Proetta told Death on the Rock that she had seen McCann and Farrell shot without warning with their hands in the air. As soon as her evidence became publicly known she was subjected to a campaign of threats and a barrage of press lies. The pressure on her was so enormous, that despite being one of the most strongly determined of the witnesses to speak out, she told the inquest:
  "Let me tell you one thing, sir, if this happened again I would not be here to give evidence"
  The day after Death on the Rock was broadcast, her husband received a phone call from a man claiming to be a policeman. He told him that the family's lives would be "made a misery". The Proetta children also received threats.
  But it was left to the British press to apply the real pressure. For no other reason than that she had inconvenient testimony, the press, particularly the Murdoch owned press, viciously attacked her. The Sunday Times launched a series of articles purporting to show that her story was untrue and saying that other witnesses had called her testimony ridiculous. This, like virtually every other word published by the Sunday Times about Gibraltar, was a pack of lies.
  The Sun, however, went even further. Two days after Death on the Rock was broadcast they printed a front page with a picture of  Carmen Proetta headlined "Tart of Gib". It said in bold letters: "Sun discovers shock truth about IRA witness Carmen... she's an ex prostitute, runs an escort agency and is married to a sleazy drug peddler". As well as suddenly making Carmen an "IRA" witness they also said that both she and her husband were anti British.
  As is normal the Sun had concocted a story based on distortions and outright lies. For example, the escort agency was a tourist agency and Proetta's only connection was that she lent her name as a director in order that the company could comply with Spanish law.....
  In December 1988 Mrs Proetta was awarded £50,000 damages against the Sun. However this came too late to undo the damage done to her evidence at the inquest. Not only was she put under enormous pressure but her testimony, when it finally came at the inquest, must have been devalued in the eyes of the jury. The British press, remembering the "Tart of Gib" headline were more interested in her split skirt than her evidence.

   The Sun reporter who wrote the "Tart of Gib" story was none other than Michael Fielding.
   It is now established that Fielder is a liar who worked for a newspaper that peddled lies on behalf of the authorities and that he in fact peddled those lies on their behalf.
   We are then expected to believe that Jeremy Bamber having killed all of his family then attempted to sell nude/pornographic pictures of his dead sister to a reporter who worked for a news organisation that routinely colluded with the police to pervert the course of justice all on the say so of a proven liar and professional smearer who worked for a newspaper that routinely lies on behalf of those in power.
  The defence that Fielder has never been shown to be a liar is no longer valid. He has knowingly lied about and smeared innocent people on behalf of powerful vested interests and this has been established by the successful libel action of Carmen Proetta. The paper that he worked for routinely lie on behalf of the police and powerful interests.
  Fielder's word and that of the Sun are both worth less than nothing and those who believe the Fielder allegations do so because they believe it helps their cause rather than based on an honest and objective appraisal of what is known.
  Believing Fielder flies in the face of reason. There are more sleaze and lies that he is involved in but I am sure that posters can discover this for themselves.

No, you fly in the face of reason - you ignore the FACT that it has been stated MANY times that in order to dismiss the Sun article, you have to suggest that Colin is a liar. I don't know what this is supposed to prove other than you have spent some time searching for dirt on Fielder. Jeremy tried to sell the pictures no matter how many stories you post about Fielder - he tried to sell the story because COLIN confirms it!
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2015, 12:34:AM »
No, you fly in the face of reason - you ignore the FACT that it has been stated MANY times that in order to dismiss the Sun article, you have to suggest that Colin is a liar. I don't know what this is supposed to prove other than you have spend some time searching for dirt on Fielder. Jeremy tried to sell the pictures no matter how many stories you post about Fielder - he tried to sell the story because COLIN confirms it!
  Colin is not in a position to confirm that Jeremy tried to sell the pictures because he wasn't there. No matter how much you shout, or how many times that you state that in order to dismiss the Sun article that you have to suggest that Colin is a liar does not make it fact, or FACT as you prefer.
  It is established beyond doubt that the Sun and Fielder are liars and deliberate smearers of reputations on behalf of powerful interests. The Sun then publishes a barely credible story of a murder suspect attempting to sell some pictures of one of his victims to a reporter who is a proven liar. You believe it credible because the reporter, who is a proven liar, claims that Jeremy used some words that were the same as those used to Colin to describe the pictures.
  The only things that are established are that a known to be dishonest reporter made some outlandish claims in a known to be dishonest newspaper. I think it wiser to treat those claims with scepticism whatever your view on Bamber's guilt.
   

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2015, 12:47:AM »
No, you fly in the face of reason - you ignore the FACT that it has been stated MANY times that in order to dismiss the Sun article, you have to suggest that Colin is a liar. I don't know what this is supposed to prove other than you have spent some time searching for dirt on Fielder. Jeremy tried to sell the pictures no matter how many stories you post about Fielder - he tried to sell the story because COLIN confirms it!
  I explained in the post that you quote that some guilty posters have claimed that there is no evidence that Fielder is a liar. This has been used to suggest that Fielder is an honest witness with no evidence of lying against him personally.
  Self evidently this is supposed to prove, some would argue does prove, that Fielder is a proven liar and if you had read the post that you quote then you would realise this. I did clearly explain this at the start of the post.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2015, 01:00:AM »
  I explained in the post that you quote that some guilty posters have claimed that there is no evidence that Fielder is a liar. This has been used to suggest that Fielder is an honest witness with no evidence of lying against him personally.
  Self evidently this is supposed to prove, some would argue does prove, that Fielder is a proven liar and if you had read the post that you quote then you would realise this. I did clearly explain this at the start of the post.

He's a Sun reporter, no one said he was honest as the day is long. This doesn't prove he lied (in fact far from it) in Bamber's case. Bamber tried to sell th photographs and I even think you know it.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2015, 01:24:AM »
He's a Sun reporter, no one said he was honest as the day is long. This doesn't prove he lied (in fact far from it) in Bamber's case. Bamber tried to sell th photographs and I even think you know it.
  You didn't previously accept that Fielder's honesty was in question.
   Fielder and the Sun made the story up in all likelihood and even you know that the claims made by Fielder are unlikely to be true. Just face up to the fact that your source of information is a proven liar and smearer rather than an actual reporter.
    His claims are worthless, I know it, you know it.

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2015, 02:23:AM »
  You didn't previously accept that Fielder's honesty was in question.
   Fielder and the Sun made the story up in all likelihood and even you know that the claims made by Fielder are unlikely to be true. Just face up to the fact that your source of information is a proven liar and smearer rather than an actual reporter.
    His claims are worthless, I know it, you know it.

BS - Jeremy tried to sell the pictures, Colin proves it and you can try to deny it as much as you like, you can peddle your smoke and mirrors but it will get you nowhere. The claims are true and you know it - this has got you worked up, just like the (bogus) call from Nevill to police  ;D ;D ;D ;D - Your slip is showing!!  ;)
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2015, 03:10:AM »
You have just killed your family, whoohoo, thougt you got away with it, even said to the police you didn´t like your sister much.
Went on to party ( like Colin did - not an accusation, a normal reaction from a young bereaved persaon)
THEN went on to a newspaper trying to sell pornographic pictures of your dead sister.
It just did not happen because it is too crazy

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2015, 03:12:AM »
You have just killed your family, whoohoo, thougt you got away with it, even said to the police you didn´t like your sister much.
Went on to party ( like Colin did - not an accusation, a normal reaction from a young bereaved persaon)
THEN went on to a newspaper trying to sell pornographic pictures of your dead sister.
It just did not happen because it is too crazy

It did happen, the story was printed and Colin backs it up. A case of 'read it and weep'!
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2015, 03:15:AM »
None of the supporters can stand the fact that Jeremy tried selling pictures of his dead sister because it paints him as a complete shit! Refuting it simply accuses Colin of lying and why would he?
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2015, 03:16:AM »
BS - Jeremy tried to sell the pictures, Colin proves it and you can try to deny it as much as you like, you can peddle your smoke and mirrors but it will get you nowhere. The claims are true and you know it - this has got you worked up, just like the (bogus) call from Nevill to police  ;D ;D ;D ;D - Your slip is showing!!  ;)
Colin's claim that Jeremy used the same words to describe the pictures of Sheila to him that Fielder attributed to Bamber proves nothing at all. If it were the case that this proved the story then Colin's statement of 11th September by the same logic would prove some sort of manipulation on the part of EP.
   From his statement of 11th September:
     "During the following Friday Jeremy and Julie came to stay at my address for the weekend, they left on the Sunday.
     On the Friday night a discussion took place at my house between myself, Jeremy, Julie(Jeremy's girlfriend) and Janice Flowers(an ex girlfriend of mine).
     We were trying to put together the facts of what had happened at the farm that night. As a result Jeremy told us that after he'd left during the conversation about fostering the children he'd gone home. He stated that he'd been woken up by the phone at about 3am by Mr. Bamber saying something like "Sheila's gone berserk with a gun"."
     According to EP the "gone berserk with a gun" quote was never made by Jeremy or Neville but in fact was paraphrasing from one officer to another. How coincidental that Jeremy then uses the same words to Colin that West allegedly paraphrased to Bonnet.
     Does that prove anything in your world or does it only apply when it suits your agenda?

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2015, 03:16:AM »
It did happen, the story was printed and Colin backs it up. A case of 'read it and weep'!

If it was JUST The Sun, I would be sceptical. But Colin backs it up - I believe Colin over ANY supporter who's mantra is JEREMY GOOD. EVERYONE ELSE BAD.   supporters deny it more than Bamber ever has.  ;D