The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[gordo30]

That's a pretty good understanding and concise summary of the case as I see it to Oncesaid, the trouble with people advocating Luke's guilt is they do it from the position of him being convicted and never see the problems with the conviction.

If FWG can answer these points with the same clarity it will certainly meet with some good discussion.

[Janet]

Once Said what I meant was is there a list of questions that Mitchell was asked and for the people who doubt the test, what questions would you have liked answered that did not get asked.

Sorry I wasnt very clear

[OnceSaid]

Once Said what I meant was is there a list of questions that Mitchell was asked and for the people who doubt the test, what questions would you have liked answered that did not get asked.

Sorry I wasnt very clear

Thanks, I see what you mean now.   

I have no idea what the full list of questions was that were asked of him during the test.  Apparently the test lasted 2 and a half hours.  What is known as it is public knowledge, is that Luke was asked the following questions which I think would be questions that the doubters would have on their list and for me these 3 questions in particular covers everything, as in he didn't kill her, doesn't know who killed her and had no idea when he went over the v in the wall that a dead body would be found.

Were you present when Jodi was stabbed?  Did you stab Jodi on June 30, 2003?  Did you know for certain where Jodi's body would be found?  Luke answered NO.

His mum was asked if she had given him a false alibi, did she burn clothing and/or dispose of clothing and the murder weapon, and did she lie whilst under oath.  She answered NO to these questions.

[Janet]

Thanks Once Said.

I do not think two people could fail separate tests like this.  I did think Luke Mitchell was guilty at one point but I am no longer sure he is. 
I wish him all the very best of luck for his appeal and hope the truth comes out for not only him but also for the Jones family.

[nugnug]

one thing i dont think people is yes there books on here to beat lie detector tests though how effective i dont know.

we would have to find who has read books then lied then passed.

but you will not find any such books in the nick.

and you would not be able to smuggle one in.

[susan]

Hi nugnug  I think it is very difficult to cheat the lie detector test providing it is being carried out by a qualified person.  I have read so much about it on the internet and truly believe with the sophisticated machines they have now and trained operators it would not be easy.

[nugnug]

well lie detectors can give false results sometimes but what is not said is there more likely to give false results the other way your more likely to fail one when your teling the truth.

than pass one when lying.

[susan]

hi nugnug  I had not heard that I am of the opinion they are pretty accurate whether you pass or fail but of course that is just my opinion.  They use them in the American Courts all the time.

[nugnug]

and what are the chances of both of them being able to pass it while lying.

i mean to independent tests.

[susan]

sorry nugnug I really can,t answer your question as I am not an expert on the polygraph testing I just have my own beliefs.  You need to speak with somebody who is knowlegable.  Sorry I can,t help you.

[nugnug]

i don't know myself but i think its very unlikely i except nothing 100% reliable nut that doesn't mean its unreliable.

[nugnug]

heres some nore on the main characters in the case.

http://mycrimesforum.myfastforum.org/forum4.php

[OnceSaid]

theres no doubt in my mind luke mitchell could beat a lie detector, he's proven to be a cold person, someone who shows no emotion finding a body, shows no emotion in hours of police interrogation, and doesnt even respond emotionally to being found guilty and sent down... why would he feel anything when lying to a machine?

There's no doubt in my mind he was telling the truth. I'm still waiting on the proof from you where it is "proven" that he is a cold person. 

Three witnesses who were also there when the body was found explained in their statements how Luke reacted and behaved, and their individual accounts blow what you state as fact, out of the water. 

How would you know what emotions he did or didn't show when he was under police interrogation?.  Care to share what you witnessed whilst in the room, because unless you were in that room at the same time as Luke Mitchell whilst he was getting a brow beating, then you havent got a clue what sort of emotions he displayed? 

Why does Luke Mitchell showing no emotion/reaction to being found guilty go against him?  I think that even if Luke Mitchell had been found not guilty, he would have reacted in exactly the same way.

You are using words like "cold" and "shows no emotion" as a reason why you think he was able to beat a lie detector test.

Are you suggesting that his mother who also passed the test is also cold and shows no emotion?

[OnceSaid]

I agree about the retrial, I believe one day it will all come out that Luke really did it. Most other "suspects" have alibi's, no motive whatsover, all behaved as expected at the time. Luke stood out for a reason, and his alibi turned out to be an absolute shambles.

FWG, you agreed with Janet that "There is enough reasonable doubt to get at least a retrial for Mitchell" You then go on to say whilst agreeing that there is enough reasonable doubt to at least get a retrial that "I believe one day it will all come out that Luke really did it". 

Should it not have "all come out" in his original trial?  Should that courtroom at his original trial not have been swimming in evidence against the accused, and I mean real evidence, not the scraping the barrel nonsense they called circumstantial evidence? 

Are you suggesting that if there was ever a retrial that there would be evidence to prove his guilt which would be presented to the jury?  Evidence that was not available at his original trial "that Luke really did it"?  You cant be serious.  They had nothing concrete then, and even less now.  Are you also suggesting that Luke had a motive?  If you are, could you share with me what his motive was?

[FreeWillieGage]

Are you also suggesting that Luke had a motive?  If you are, could you share with me what his motive was?[/font]

Are you suggesting every single killer needs a motive?