Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 723086 times)

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the pocle doctor who examed luke mitchell said his hair was unwashed and his nails wear grubby.

meaning he dident clean himself up.

no forensic clean up.
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no all i am saying is you cant clean off your own dna and leave the dna of other people on there.

how did luke clear all his dna and all hers from him leaving no trace of himself being there.

but leave steven kellys on there plus unknown profiles of other people.

ever thought he may have changed his clothing?  Isn't there are 40 minutes or so that Luke Mitchell is unaccounted for?  If so, then that is plenty time to get changed and rid of stuff. The bins were all emptied before the police could look in them too.

It was raining the night the body lay out for all those hours also.

as for grubby fingernails well they could happen in a matter of hours if boys are playing around on swings and in woods. So that does not prove he did not clean himself up.


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so how would the rain  wipehis DNA off and leave other peoples on there.

40 minutes to commit a brutal murder clean yourself up get changed and get dirty again hardly likely.

the pathologist said Jodi fought for her life but Luke Mitchell didn't have a mark on him not a scratch

i think they said his ha dent not been washed for 3 days.

do sent fit with someone cleaning themselves up.
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so how would the rain his dna off and leave other peoples on there.

40 minutes to comit a brutel murder clean yourself up get changed and get dirty agian hardly likey.

Anything is possible.  No one is suggesting he put clean clothes on. After all we are talking about someone who stored 20 bottles of urine under his bed. His room was not one of the tidiest rooms we have ever heard about and I am sure there was some dirty washing lying around that he could have changed into.

From what I have read the opinion of the police is that she went there with someone she knew. She was kneeling down

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Forensic scientist Derek Scrimger,40,said he was called at home and arrived at the path at 8am the following day.When he got there, her body had been moved from the original position and her clothing gathered together.

Mr Scrimger said there were two areas of bloodstaining on the wall near where her body was found.


Mr Scrimger said if her throat had been cut from behind, the blood would have travelled forward and there wouldn't necessarily have been any on the attacker.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI%27S+WRISTS+TIED+UP+WITH+TROUSERS%3B+Expert+tells+of+body+found+at...-a0126143100




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so hardly a bedroom that's been cleaned you couldn't com it all those mutilations and not get blood on you.

jodi fought back that would take minutes then theres all the mutilation then theres having to get back with nobody seeing him.

and clean himself up.

a lot to do in 40 minutes.

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so hardly a bedroom that's been cleaned you couldn't com it all those mutilations and not get blood on you.

jodi fought back that would take minutes then theres all the mutilation then theres having to get back with nobody seeing him.

and clean himself up.

a lot to do in 40 minutes.

That is assuming he had much cleaning up to do isn't it? You are inferring that he would be blood stained. It is possible he was not.

Mitchell could have worn gloves.

The court was also told that Shane said in a statement on July 3, 2003, that he had returned home from work to Newbattle Abbey Crescent on June 30, 2003, at about 3.40pm.

However, four days later, he said that he had arrived back that day between 4.55pm and 5pm.

In evidence, Shane told the court: "I believe I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in the first one."

The court heard that, while being interviewed under police caution on the day his brother was arrested, Shane Mitchell was told that officers suspected him of deliberately giving false information.

So this 40 mins could have given a longer time Luke Mitchell was unaccounted for if Shane Mitchells first statement is the correct one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html





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threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.

Oh yes there is and well you know it missy....

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurdertrial/Natural-born-killer.2597278.jp

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so hardly a bedroom that's been cleaned you couldn't com it all those mutilations and not get blood on you.

Jodi fought back that would take minutes then theres all the mutilation then theres having to get back with nobody seeing him.

and clean himself up.

a lot to do in 40 minutes.

That is assuming he had much cleaning up to do isn't it? You are inferring that he would be blood stained. It is possible he was not.

Mitchell could have worn gloves.

The court was also told that Shane said in a statement on July 3, 2003, that he had returned home from work to Newbattle Abbey Crescent on June 30, 2003, at about 3.40pm.

However, four days later, he said that he had arrived back that day between 4.55pm and 5pm.

In evidence, Shane told the court: "I believe I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in the first one."

The court heard that, while being interviewed under police caution on the day his brother was arrested, Shane Mitchell was told that officers suspected him of deliberately giving false information.

So this 40 Min's could have given a longer time Luke Mitchell was unaccounted for if Shane Mitchells first statement is the correct one.

http://www.telegraph.co.UK/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html


the victims family have changed there story several including the time Jodi went out.


this was one of the most brutal murders in history.

it would be impossible for the person who committed it not to have blood on them.

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threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.

Oh yes there is and well you know it missy....

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurdertrial/Natural-born-killer.2597278.jp

why did this girl never go to the police at the time of the murder if she had really been attacked.

why did she only come after he was convicted to talk to tabliod is possibly becouse she made the whole thing up for money.

jodi never mentioned knowing anything about kimberly thomsan kimberly thomsan lived miles away there was very little danger of jodi finding out.

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You are missing the point here nugnug when you say

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The victims family have changed there story several including the time Jodi went out.


this was one of the most brutal murders in history.

it would be impossible for the person who committed it not to have blood on them.

Luke Mitchell is the one who needed an alibi. He said he was at home with his mother.
Shane Mitchell's original statement said he came home at 3.40 pm that day. That is a pretty specific time.
So if he did come home then, Luke Mitchell was not at home then. Shane only changed his story after a conversation with his mother.

How do you know it would be impossible for the person who committed the murder not to have blood on them?
Was blood stained clothing ever found? I have not seen anywhere that there was. So there is no proof whatsoever that the murderer was blood stained.



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the whole area was bloodsatained it dont take much to work out the killler must have been.

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no all i am saying is you cant clean off your own dna and leave the dna of other peoples on there.

how did luke clear all his dna and from her all hers from him leaving no trace of himself being there.

but leave steven kellys on there plus unknown profiles of other people.

So tell us missy, how did Luke Mitchell remove all traces of Jodi from himself and his clothing remembering that he had been with her several times the day of the murder?

Could it be that he changed his clothes and washed?   ;D

The only reason his hands were grubby was that he spent three hours mucking about in the woods with his pals after the murder.
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it well it was established by the police doctor that he hadn't washed.

and all acounts say he was in the same clothes all day.

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threes no proof Kimberly Thomson was his girlfriend.

even if there was 14 lad having 2 girlfriends is hardly that unusual.

i hardly think it makes them guilty of murder.

visiting the grave of someone you love is only human.

Oh yes there is and well you know it missy....

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/jodijonesmurdertrial/Natural-born-killer.2597278.jp

why did this girl never go to the police at the time of the murder if she had really been attacked.

why did she only come after he was convicted to talk to tabliod is possibly becouse she made the whole thing up for money.

jodi never mentioned knowing anything about kimberly thomsan kimberly thomsan lived miles away there was very little danger of jodi finding out.

Do you have proof of the statement you have made here about the girl only making this up for money?
It is possible the girl did not say anything because perhaps she was not meant to have a boyfriend and got a fright when she read what had happened. That is a possibility. There is a possibility that she is telling the truth and not lying. You cannot make statements about things you have not been party to yourself.

Why would there have been little danger of Jodi finding anything out about Kimberley? She could have read texts on Luke Mitchell's phone for all you know. You do not know this for a fact either.

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so how would the rain  wipehis DNA off and leave other peoples on there.

40 minutes to commit a brutal murder clean yourself up get changed and get dirty again hardly likely.

the pathologist said Jodi fought for her life but Luke Mitchell didn't have a mark on him not a scratch

i think they said his ha dent not been washed for 3 days.

do sent fit with someone cleaning themselves up.

Jodi never touched her attacker no matter how hard she allegedly fought.

Scrapings from her finger nails provided only her own DNA.

He probably had a second set of clothes all along thus why no forensics relating to Jodi were ever found on him.  Its wonderful what you can get in a backpack!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2011, 11:53:AM by John »