Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 262109 times)

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sandra refresh my memory was his dna actully found on the t shirt or on the bra strap alegedly transfring from the t shirt.

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The full DNA profile was recovered from the outside front of the t-shirt. It was never recorded exactly where on the t-shirt (upper front, lower front, etc).

Everything else on the t-shirt and bra was explained away by "transfer theory" - including a recorded semen stain on the outer left cup of the bra which, it was suggested, had transferred into the padding below.

That stain matched up with the visible semen stain on the left sleeve of the t-shirt.

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The full DNA profile was recovered from the outside front of the t-shirt. It was never recorded exactly where on the t-shirt (upper front, lower front, etc).

Everything else on the t-shirt and bra was explained away by "transfer theory" - including a recorded semen stain on the outer left cup of the bra which, it was suggested, had transferred into the padding below.

That stain matched up with the visible semen stain on the left sleeve of the t-shirt.

and as far as i know there is no suggestion that jodi borrowed her sisters bra.

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No, there wasn't. The bra evidence was interesting for a number of reasons.

They claimed it, too, was clean, to ensure there could be no "innocent explanation" if Luke's DNA was found on the bra (he'd had sex with Jodi on the Saturday night and were together on the Sunday evening). There was no evidence that it was a newly laundered bra, just a guess from Jodi's mother.

They also claimed that semen from the outside of the bra had soaked through into the padding by rainwater transfer - what that doesn't explain is how it got onto the bra in the first place. It's hard to believe they were really trying to claim that DNA (almost certainly sperm heads) survived a wash in the machine, then transferred from a clean t-shirt to a clean bra beneath and then the rain caused it to soak through into the padding. Didn't stop them claiming, during interrogation, that the partial profiles recovered from the bra "matched" the corresponding "parts" of Luke's DNA profile when there were, in fact, 5 markers that didn't appear in Luke's profile at all!

When you then consider there was semen found on her left breast, from which partial profiles were recovered which excluded LM, it does seem to stretch the transfer theory quite a bit!

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Do you think the huge difference in treatment right from the start was intentional? Everyone else involved or known to Jodi seems to have been able to give various explanations for their actions and whereabouts even changing the info yet the same didnt apply to Luke.

it might of had something to do with the fact jodis aunt knew the investigating officer

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I'd forgotten about that!

The aunt who took care of all the media communications worked with the same child protection unit as the Senior Investigating Officer, I think?

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I'd forgotten about that!

The aunt who took care of all the media communications worked with the same child protection unit as the Senior Investigating Officer, I think?

yes she did all the things about the case that was the one that stuck in my mind.

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it might of had something to do with the fact jodis aunt knew the investigating officer

I didnt know that... could explain a lot couldnt it?

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I was told, years ago, that it was agreed that none of the family would speak to the media except this one aunt because she "knew how to deal with the media".

On the one occasion that Judith did speak to the media directly (after she drunkenly attacked Corinne in her workplace), Judith was quoted as saying, "It's all rubbish - it never happened." Of course, we will never know if that was what she said, or if the media just made that up, but it's the only time, to my knowledge, Judith was ever quoted directly (any other time it was "sources" who spoke on behalf of the family). And it was a lie, because it most certainly did happen!

I just had a thought (how could I not have thought of this before?) If this aunt knew SIO Dobbie at the time, that might explain the aunts' public appeal that included the information about Jodi borrowing clothes from her sister without asking, at exactly the time the DNA results came back with Kelly's DNA on the t-shirt Jodi was wearing.

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Extremely good timing? Not like it was planned or anything. The more I read about this case, the more appalled i feel

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Exactly - within 48 hours, borrowed t-shirts had become a real thing, even though prior to that, there was no mention of the sisters sharing clothes (they lived in different houses). But it was never proven to be a real thing - throughout her interviews, Janine only said the t-shirt "could have been" hers. Quite bizarrely, the only person to say the t-shirt was Janine's was Kelly himself - how on earth could he have known that? In his statements, he spoke of Janine having 2 identical black t-shirts, saying the one Jodi wore the night she was murdered was one of those two. But Janine said she had "lots" of black t-shirts, mostly plain and six black t-shirts were found in Jodi's bedroom in her own home.

How could Kelly (who didn't live in either house) be so sure about that one t-shirt and, coincidentally, it turned out he was right?

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I didnt know that... could explain a lot couldnt it?

wellthe aunt was present at the search but did not take part in the search she stayed in hr car so you have to ask why so bothred to turn up.

the only thing I can think of is she was there to talk to the police when they turned up I'm sure some name droping went on

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Good point, nugnug. If the aunts had come to comfort Judith, they would have gone to her house, but they didn't - somehow, they knew to go into the school grounds. Something I thought about today - not only did they know to go into the school grounds, but they knew to drive past the two main car parks, through the "tunnel" connecting the gym to the main building and right down to the back of the school to a bit that can't be seen from the road or the main car parks.

But no-one could have known the police would take the search party up to the school grounds - there was an area at the Newbattle end of the path that could just as easily have been a "meeting" point. It can't be that the aunts knew, before they set off, that the search party was taken to the school because the aunts were already there when the police and searchers arrived.