Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 217017 times)

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so it the then follows that there would really be no way of knowing weather he fits any of the eye witness decriptions or not.

the only thing we have is a picture of him 3 years later but that could be totaly difrent from the way he looked at the time.

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i dont suppose the polce mentioned of condom that was used.

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It's so hard in this case to for any real summary as to what we believed happened at the crime scene, every abnormality in the case seems to be precluded with another.
We know Jodi had to have been at the point where she was discovered but the police believing that Luke was there waiting just doesn't make sense. There are so many possibilities as to why she was there she may have chosen that way herself,followed someone or as I believe she was trying to avoid one of the people on that motorised bicycle who we know were on the path, strangely her killer to might have been trying to avoid the same person.
The lack of noise concerns me but possible considering the fact there were people on a motorised bike in the area and Jodi may well have been overcome very quickly, I believe someone heard something as those on the bike appear to have been drawn to the v break.

Jodi was knocked unconscious and possibly semi stripped early on and numerous wounds caused over a lengthy time, this wasn't a 5 min assault but most probably took in excess of 20/25 mins.

The clothes and their proximity to the body can tell us very little as we know that some staging took effect, body moved, clothes handled and on occasion placed or folded neatly. There's nothing to suggest that all the clothes at the crimes scene were placed by designed

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Very interesting post, gordo!

Not only do we not know how Jodi came to be behind the wall, to this day, we don't know when she went there. She may have been trying to avoid certain people or, alternatively, she may have been intending to meet someone - that joint that she smoked less than 2 hours before her death has never been explained. She had no smoking equipment on her so, even if she'd had a ready prepared joint with her, she needed something to light it with - or someone to light it for her. She was too early for Luke, who wouldn't have been out before 5.30 - did she intend to meet someone behind the wall for a smoke to kill some time before heading down to Newbattle?

I totally agree that the riderless bike propped precisely at the V point suggests the riders were drawn there by something. Had they been standing next to the bike, then it could be concluded they'd simply stopped for a rest from pushing the bike. If they stopped for a rest, but decided to hop over the wall for a joint, they'd have hopped straight into a murder scene if, indeed, Jodi was killed at that time. Or one of them had an arrangement to be over the wall at that particular place and time?

According to their accounts (and we know we can't place much reliability on them), they pushed the bike up the Newbattle Road, managed to get it going again at the Newbattle entrance to the path, rode it a little way up and then it cut out again. If Jodi was killed at 5.15, the noise of the bike in the few minutes prior to that, while it was still running, may have drowned out any sound from the attack. Did they hear something when the bike cut out and went over the wall to check what it was?

I agree, too, that this wasn't a five minute attack - the distance covered by the blood staining, the "flattened and trampled" area at the opposite side of the woodland strip, the nature of the injuries and the need to strip and mutilate the body all took time to occur.

The clothing aspect is so frustrating - it's impossible to know whether the moving of any  the clothes by the scenes of crime officers took place before they were photographed, there's no way of telling whether AW, in going right up to the body, may have accidentally have kicked things into a new position etc.

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i dont suppose the polce mentioned of condom that was used.

The brand was named (I can't remember it now) but the same brand was used in the local free sexual health programme that gave out free condoms to teenagers, so there were literally thousands of the same brand of condoms in the area - for example, JaF's condom was the same brand as those in the opened packet in JoF's glove.  JaF mentioned that his brothers got condoms from this programme, but then bizarrely lied to police that he'd "borrowed" his condom from a friend he didn't even know at the time. When asked why he lied about it, he said (to police, no less!) "I had to say something."

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An excerpt from an article about the appeal:

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A MAN named by Luke Mitchell's lawyers as an alternative suspect in the Jodi Jones murder today declared he was "100 per cent innocent". James Falconer hit out after being identified as a possible suspect in papers lodged by Mitchell's defence team at the Court of Appeal. He accused Donald Findlay QC, who is leading the appeal, of dragging his name into the mud and accused the lawyer of "sheer desperation". Mr Falconer, who lives only a few minutes' walk from the secluded spot were 14-year-old Jodi was killed, has been questioned by police in connection with the brutal murder. But detectives are understood to have ruled him out of their investigations. Mr Falconer, of Reed Drive, Dalkeith, was identified by Mitchell's legal team after being linked to a condom found near the woodland murder scene.He said: "I was questioned by police and they cleared me. I think it's tragic my name has been dragged into this by Donald Findlay."I had nothing to do with the murder. I could never do something like that. I'm 100 per cent innocent." The defence team alleges that a recently-used condom was found 50 metres from the spot where Jodi was killed, in June 2003. They added that DNA swabs matched a sample taken from Mr Falconer, who they claim also gave false statements to police. The DNA link, however, has been disputed in court, with prosecutor John Beckett QC telling a recent hearing that DNA from Mr Falconer was "no match whatsoever" with samples collected.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/i-didn-t-kill-jodi-1-1249412

How did Beckett ever get away with that? It was the Crown who alerted Luke's legal team to the full profile match - there was absolutely no question about it, so Beckett's claim in court was an outright lie.

Also, that 50 metre claim? The original police record logs it as 20 metres from the body, plain and simple. It was later amended to read "within a 20 metre radius" to a "50 metre radius", to 50 metres from the body. What were they playing at?

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I can't help but believe that JaF was masterbating to the sight of a dead naked body and realised just how the conatations of that might mean to someone with a record. These actions although rare do happen and maybe someone should be heeding the warning signs.
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if you stumbled across a dead body I think your first instinct would be to ethere call the old bill or just get the hell out of there.

I don't think you would get the urge to start touching yourself and even if you did I think you'd resist it.

unless of course he only noticied the body after he had done it at then thought oh shit.

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I was just wondering how long luke got sentence wise. Was it 15 years? If so hasn't he served his time or because he says he's innocent they won't release him?

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life with a tarrif of 20 years.

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I was just wondering how long luke got sentence wise. Was it 15 years? If so hasn't he served his time or because he says he's innocent they won't release him?

thanks

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if you stumbled across a dead body I think your first instinct would be to ethere call the old bill or just get the hell out of there.

I don't think you would get the urge to start touching yourself and even if you did I think you'd resist it.

unless of course he only noticied the body after he had done it at then thought oh shit.

I would have thought so too, but according to his own statement, right after he heard about the murder the following morning, he went out and did the same thing again, behind a tree at the Reed Drive end of Lady Path - the place was swarming with cops - it might just be me, but I think that's just weird... and very worrying.

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I would have thought so too, but according to his own statement, right after he heard about the murder the following morning, he went out and did the same thing again, behind a tree at the Reed Drive end of Lady Path - the place was swarming with cops - it might just be me, but I think that's just weird... and very worrying.

its also clearly a lie he would of got cought there must of been antoter bit of sperm he was trying to explain away.

or hes trying to convince the police that it was something he normaly did and although it might sound a bit weird it was perfectly harmless and nothing to do with the murder.
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this 9 bar did jof or joe go and pick it up or was it delivred to them.