Author Topic: Michael Ross  (Read 4762 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline nugnug

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12407
    • http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnyvoid.wordpress.com%2F&ei=WTdUUo3IM6mY0QWYz4GADg&usg=AFQjCNE-8xtZuPAZ52VkntYOokH5da5MIA&bvm=bv.5353710
Michael Ross
« on: June 22, 2013, 04:52:PM »

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 35033
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 05:20:PM »
Something to do with his dad being a cop I would think,nugs. That's where the grudge will lie.
Similar to Neville being a magistrate. Lots of grudges among those who appeared in court.

Offline nugnug

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12407
    • http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnyvoid.wordpress.com%2F&ei=WTdUUo3IM6mY0QWYz4GADg&usg=AFQjCNE-8xtZuPAZ52VkntYOokH5da5MIA&bvm=bv.5353710
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2013, 05:26:PM »
i think you maybe right there.

Offline ngb1066

  • Administrator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4607
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 12:19:PM »


I am strongly of the view that this case is not a miscarriage of justice.  This was an unprovoked, premeditated and brutal racist murder.  The culprit would have been apprehended much earlier had it not been for the actions of his father, a local police officer who was himself convicted of firearms offences and perverting the course of justice and sentenced to four years imprisonment.

For what it is worth my advice is to avoid this case like the plague.  Michael Ross needs to face up to what he has done and admit it for the sake of the victim's family.  He would then have a realistic chance of being released after serving the 25 year minimum tariff set by the trial judge.

 

Offline nugnug

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12407
    • http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnyvoid.wordpress.com%2F&ei=WTdUUo3IM6mY0QWYz4GADg&usg=AFQjCNE-8xtZuPAZ52VkntYOokH5da5MIA&bvm=bv.5353710
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2013, 12:31:PM »
as far as i  can see there was no evedence to convict other the word of the word of 1 man who came forward 12 years later.

and micheal ross does seem to fit the eye witness descriptions of the killer.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2013, 12:37:PM by nugnug »

Offline ngb1066

  • Administrator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4607
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2013, 12:55:PM »
as far as i  can see there was no evedence to convict other the word of the word of 1 man who came forward 12 years later.

and micheal ross does seem to fit the eye witness descriptions of the killer.

He was convicted on the basis of far more evidence than that of the man who came forward following the Crimewatch appeal.  The police had a very good idea who had done this from an early stage in the investigation - the ammunition handed in by Michael Ross's father pointed them in the right direction.  However, they did not have sufficient evidence to bring charges as witnesses were either afraid to come forward (for various reasons) or failed to come forward as a result of a misguided sense of loyalty.  Years later the situation changed, in particular because Michael Ross had left Orkney to join the army.  If you stand back and look at the total picture I believe you will have little doubt that justice was done.

 

Offline nugnug

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12407
    • http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnyvoid.wordpress.com%2F&ei=WTdUUo3IM6mY0QWYz4GADg&usg=AFQjCNE-8xtZuPAZ52VkntYOokH5da5MIA&bvm=bv.5353710
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2013, 12:58:PM »
yes his dad handed in the ammunition he could of got rid of it if he had something to hide.


the eye witness all described a large burly man Ross was a 15 year old boy at the time.

« Last Edit: June 24, 2013, 01:01:PM by nugnug »

Offline ngb1066

  • Administrator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4607
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2013, 02:05:PM »
yes his dad handed in the ammunition he could of got rid of it if he had something to hide.


the eye witness all described a large burly man Ross was a 15 year old boy at the time.

I accept that his father could have got rid of the ammunition but he was a police officer and others knew he had it so disposing of it could have been dangerous for him.    I suspect he feared the ammunition being discovered if the police searched his house or if others reported it to the police.  The ammunition was an unusual type and was exactly the type used in the murder.  The murder weapon was never found but both Michael Ross and his father were gun enthusiasts and it is clear that in addition to legally held weapons they had others illegally. Michael Ross had shown off such a weapon to a witness shortly before the murder.

The murderer wore an army style balaclava, pulled down to conceal his face.  Ross was known to wear such a balaclava and admitted to disposing of one by throwing it into the sea weighted with a brick, shortly after the murder.

Ross was a fit 15 year old in the army cadets and preparing to go into the army.   Descriptions given by witnesses must always be treated with caution as they are frequently very inaccurate.  I do not believe the descriptions given by the witnesses in this case are such that any doubt is cast upon his conviction.

Bear in mind that some time before the murder Ross was seen and heard shouting racist abuse and threats outside the Indian restaurant where the murder took place.  There was also clear evidence of his admiration for Nazi Germany.  This was a racist murder, with no other evident motive.  Bear in mind also that Kirkwall is a small place.  If Michael Ross is not guilty of this heinous crime he must have fallen victim to the most extraordinary series of coincidences in legal history.




 

Offline nugnug

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12407
    • http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnyvoid.wordpress.com%2F&ei=WTdUUo3IM6mY0QWYz4GADg&usg=AFQjCNE-8xtZuPAZ52VkntYOokH5da5MIA&bvm=bv.5353710
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2013, 02:21:PM »
i believe 1 witness clammed they saw him making these racist threats but nobody else seems to remember this happening including the owners of the restaurant.

the witness describe the killer as being between 5ft8 and 6ft.

i have been told that Ross i nos only 5ft8 now and was the normal size for a lad that age.

admittedly i havent actually seen a picture.

Offline ngb1066

  • Administrator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4607
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2013, 02:31:PM »
i believe 1 witness clammed they saw him making these racist threats but nobody else seems to remember this happening including the owners of the restaurant.

the witness describe the killer as being between 5ft8 and 6ft.

i have been told that Ross i nos only 5ft8 now and was the normal size for a lad that age.

admittedly i havent actually seen a picture.

I take your point nugnug but it is very difficult to estimate height, particularly in traumatic circumstances such as those experienced by the witnesses in the restaurant.  Even so, estimates between 5ft 8in and 6ft are within the range for Michael Ross.  If he is 5ft 8in now I suspect he was the same at the age of 15.  This does not preclude him from being the murderer.

Have you seen the explanation for having a hand grenade, a sub-machine gun and several hundred rounds of ammunition in his car, found after he was convicted and sentenced?  Shooting deer and catching fish!  Do you buy that one nugnug? ;D

 

Offline nugnug

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12407
    • http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnyvoid.wordpress.com%2F&ei=WTdUUo3IM6mY0QWYz4GADg&usg=AFQjCNE-8xtZuPAZ52VkntYOokH5da5MIA&bvm=bv.5353710
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2013, 02:43:PM »
no i certainly don't buy it.

but he was convicted 14 years after the crime happened so isn't really that relevant to the murder.

other than it proves a interest in weapons.

a rather disturbing intrest i admit but its not that unusal for soldiors to be possession of weapons that they shouldent be in possession of
« Last Edit: June 24, 2013, 02:48:PM by nugnug »

Offline ngb1066

  • Administrator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4607
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2013, 02:49:PM »
no i certainly don't buy it.

but he was convicted 14 years after the crime happened so isn't really that relevant to the murder.

other than it proves a interest in weapons.

It also demonstrates a willingness to commit serious criminal offences in particular in relation to the possession of prohibited weapons.  If he had been acquitted of the murder and his arms cache had been found he would have faced a very lengthy prison sentence for that.  I accept that does not prove that he is guilty of murder but it shows what type of a person he is. 

   

Offline nugnug

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 12407
    • http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjohnnyvoid.wordpress.com%2F&ei=WTdUUo3IM6mY0QWYz4GADg&usg=AFQjCNE-8xtZuPAZ52VkntYOokH5da5MIA&bvm=bv.5353710
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2013, 04:35:PM »
i admite some of micheal rosses own story sounds less than plausible.

but ive thought that in a lot of cases when i first looked at them.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2013, 04:36:PM by nugnug »

Offline ngb1066

  • Administrator
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4607
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2013, 06:05:PM »
i admite some of micheal rosses own story sounds less than plausible.

but ive thought that in a lot of cases when i first looked at them.

His story is totally unbelievable in my view.  He is prepared to lie even after his conviction.  His letter explaining the weapons in his car is utter rubbish.  What I have just discovered is that the hand grenade was primed and ready for use in the glove compartment of his car and the sub machinegun was loaded and ready to fire.  If he had succeeded in escaping from the courthouse (which he very nearly did) he was undoubtedly prepared to use these weapons to kill in order to avoid being recaptured.    He was sentenced to a further 5 years imprisonment on top of his life sentence for possessing these weapons and for his escape attempt. 

This man is a dangerous racist murderer and he is where he belongs. In my opinion it devalues campaigns on behalf of genuine miscarriage of justice victims for MoJ organisations to support campaigns on behalf of such clearly guilty individuals. 
   

Offline susan

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 15868
Re: Michael Ross
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2013, 06:08:PM »
Hello ngb I agree with every word Ross is a dangerous thug and is where he deserves to be I followed the whole case from start to finsh even watched a programme on the TV where they interviewed his Father.