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Offline mike tesko

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3210 on: August 08, 2018, 09:47:PM »

I am very interested in getting a look at the evening creche registration document if anyone has seen it, or knows where I can get access to it, which will show the timings of the coming and goings of the children and their parents on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 between the hours of 7.30pm and 11.30pm, that same date! I feel confident that the Carpenters will have booked their two children in and out at key moments in the police investigation into Madeleine McCanns disappearence..

The police and the McCann contingent have been ignorant in naming only two of the three creches that were a ailable to parents!

The two named ones were / are Jellyfish, and Lobster! Both of these operated a morning and an afternoon session (as we have seen)...

But I am more concerned with the third creche that operated in the evenings between 7.30pm and 11.30pm...

Here is an image of the evening creche that was operational on the night (3rd May 2007) that Madeleine McCann went missing!

I believe that the Carpenters primarily used 'this' third creche to deposit their children, and that the McCanns group were either not made aware of its existence, or they chose not to entertain it, despite it offering peace of mind to parents wanting to dine out in the evenings between 7.30pm and 11.30pm...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3211 on: August 08, 2018, 09:55:PM »
It would be interesting to find out the name of this third creche (the name it operated under in May 2007, or at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence)!

I have a hunch that this third creche may also have been taking in children during the mornings and afternoon sessions, and that it may be owned or run privately, and not an official part of the Ocean Club complex!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3212 on: August 08, 2018, 10:03:PM »
It would be interesting to find out the name of this third creche (the name it operated under in May 2007, or at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearence)!

I have a hunch that this third creche may also have been taking in children during the mornings and afternoon sessions, and that it may be owned or run privately, and not an official part of the Ocean Club complex!

I remember seeing this third creche during my 2010 visit to Luz...

It had children playing outside in the fenced off grounds during the mornings, afternoons, which raised something of a red flag for me back then because of its proximity to the front door on the roadside of block 5, and in particular apartment 5A! I remember making a general mental note of its location and pondered whether Jane Tanner's sighting of 'Tannerman' could be linked to a parent collecting an intact or a toddler from that third creche which coincided with Jane Tanner's observation? Today, I am as certain as I can be that the man who was carrying that child in his arms that evening was Stephen Carpenter, not that he was carrying Madeleine off, but that it was one of his own children that he was carrying (remember that he had a daughter about the same height and build and age of Madeleine McCann, as well as an 18 month old toddler!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3213 on: August 08, 2018, 10:10:PM »
So, I have opened up a can of worms for the police to look into and investigate! My powers of deduction are often and quite frequently proven to turn out right, in one way or another, and I feel certain that the existence of the third creche helps to resolve some of the contradictions thrown up by (a) Stephen Carpenters assertion that he (they) had dropped his children off at the creche and collected them from the creche,  and (b) either side of him playing tennis with Gerry McCann from 2pm onwards on the afternoon Thursday 3rd May 2007..

The solution is a relatively simple one, in that the Carpenters were using the third creche (the privately owned one that I have identified), so I will give Carpenter the benefit of doubt regarding what he said about taking his children to the creche and collecting them on that afternoon...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3214 on: August 08, 2018, 10:14:PM »
So, I have opened up a can of worms for the police to look into and investigate! My powers of deduction are often and quite frequently proven to turn out right, in one way or another, and I feel certain that the existence of the third creche helps to resolve some of the contradictions thrown up by (a) Stephen Carpenters assertion that he (they) had dropped his children off at the creche and collected them from the creche,  and (b) either side of him playing tennis with Gerry McCann from 2pm onwards on the afternoon Thursday 3rd May 2007..

The solution is a relatively simple one, in that the Carpenters were using the third creche (the privately owned one that I have identified), so I will give Carpenter the benefit of doubt regarding what he said about taking his children to the creche and collecting them on that afternoon...

Here we see small children enjoying outdoor activities at the 'mysterious' third creche:-
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3215 on: August 08, 2018, 10:18:PM »
The location of the third creche is an important factor since in order to get to and fro to it, and from it, from the perspective of the Carpenter family housed in apartment FP02, they would have to walk past the roadside part of block 5, and in particular, the front door and the steel shuttered bedroom window where the McCanns three siblings slept each and every night until the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 when Madeleine McCann was taken!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3216 on: August 08, 2018, 10:24:PM »
I wonder why Stephen Carpenter never mentioned about him using the 3rd creche which took him past the front door in the roadside of block 5 a total of six times per day? If we add up all the morning, afternoon, and evening sessions when potentially the carpenters could have been using the third creche, instead of the two (Jellyfish and Lobster) run by the Ocean club (and discounting the day of the McCanns arrival in Portugal on 29th April 2007) it amounts to a total of around 24 journeys that the carpenters could have made past the roadside part of block 5 where the McCanns were staying (5A)...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3217 on: August 08, 2018, 10:26:PM »
I wonder why Stephen Carpenter never mentioned about him using the 3rd creche which took him past the front door in the roadside of block 5 a total of six times per day? If we add up all the morning, afternoon, and evening sessions when potentially the carpenters could have been using the third creche, instead of the two (Jellyfish and Lobster) run by the Ocean club (and discounting the day of the McCanns arrival in Portugal on 29th April 2007) it amounts to a total of around 24 journeys that the carpenters could have made past the roadside part of block 5 where the McCanns were staying (5A)...

Giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to monitor the routine and pattern of the McCanns days and evenings without raising anybodies suspicion, because they were escorting their own children back and forth, back and forth, back and forth from their apartment (FP02) next door to Jenny Murat's villa, to the third creche, and then to dinner before returning their two kids back to the creche in the afternoon, collecting them at close of play and making their way to the tapas bar for high tea with the children around 6pm, then hang around for their dinner reservation (7pm) before taking their two kids back to the third creche for the evening session and so on, and so forth!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3218 on: August 08, 2018, 10:35:PM »
Giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to monitor the routine and pattern of the McCanns days and evenings without raising anybodies suspicion, because they were escorting their own children back and forth, back and forth, back and forth from their apartment (FP02) next door to Jenny Murat's villa, to the third creche, and then to dinner before returning their two kids back to the creche in the afternoon, collecting them at close of play and making their way to the tapas bar for high tea with the children around 6pm, then hang around for their dinner reservation (7pm) before taking their two kids back to the third creche for the evening session and so on, and so forth!

It looks like the Carpenters may have deviated from there well oiled afternoon routine on one occasion, that being the Tuesday 1st May 2007, when they booked their three and a half year old child into the same lobster creche as Madeleine McCann, but then withdrew her immediately and striking her name in the register with an horizontal scribble of a pen...

After this date, the carpenters never took their child to the same creche as Madeleine!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3219 on: August 08, 2018, 11:22:PM »
Here is a bird's eye view of the roads and footpaths used by the Carpenter family when going to and fro, back and forth, between their apartment at FP02 and the third creche, a route which would take them directly past the roadside front door of the McCanns apartment (5A) several times a day!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3220 on: August 08, 2018, 11:26:PM »
This shows a view of the roads and footpaths used to travel back and forth between their apartment next door to Jenny Murat's villa and the third creche, taking the Carpenters past the McCanns apartment several times each day!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3221 on: August 08, 2018, 11:41:PM »
I thought Charlotte Pennington said that all three creches were in close proximity and the nannies could view all the children playing within.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3222 on: August 09, 2018, 12:06:AM »
I thought Charlotte Pennington said that all three creches were in close proximity and the nannies could view all the children playing within.
The McCanns and their group never used the evening creche which was open for business between 7.30pm and 11.30pm, instead they chose to leave their kids home alone, and relied upon frequent checks and a baby monitoring device! Here is the third creche, which is situated along the road along the front of the McCanns apartment. It's actually situated at the end of the street on the right if you walk uphill with the front door of 5A on your left. This is the creche that the Carpenters must have been using with the exception of Tuesday 1st May 2007, when they booked in their three and a half year old child at the lobster creche (10 minutes after Madeleine McCann was booked in, only for her to be taken straight back out again, and an attempt to scribble out her name)!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3223 on: August 09, 2018, 10:55:PM »
I thought Charlotte Pennington said that all three creches were in close proximity and the nannies could view all the children playing within.

Having just checked her witness statement, she actually says that the children were placed in 'three sub-groups'...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3224 on: August 09, 2018, 10:58:PM »
Despite Stephen Carpenter claiming he was on good terms with Gerry McCann and his family, there is very little evidence to support such a claim!
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