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Offline maggie

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #255 on: December 29, 2016, 08:30:PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-38457928

Phil Scraton has far far more respect from people that matter than an OBE could ever give. The work he has done over more than 27 years in relation to Hillsborough is phenomenal. I doff my cap

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Well said petey, I completely agree.

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #256 on: January 12, 2017, 02:14:PM »

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #257 on: January 12, 2017, 02:55:PM »
Justice moves a step further

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-38582111

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'The mills of god grind slowly but they grind extremely fine'....   Good news petey, thanks for posting.

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #258 on: January 12, 2017, 05:51:PM »
Justice moves a step further

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-38582111

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I heard this on the way home from work. I have to admit, a bit of me was worried we'd never see this day- that maybe they'd think, well, the outcome of the inquests is vindication enough, let's just leave it there. Very, very pleased with this news, I sincerely hope the process continues until true justice is finally obtained.

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #259 on: January 13, 2017, 02:35:AM »
I heard this on the way home from work. I have to admit, a bit of me was worried we'd never see this day- that maybe they'd think, well, the outcome of the inquests is vindication enough, let's just leave it there. Very, very pleased with this news, I sincerely hope the process continues until true justice is finally obtained.

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Sadly there's still a long way to go. The CPS will take 3-6 months minimum deciding whether to bring charges. Then it could easily get dragged out at least another year before trial.

The inquest verdicts last April were incredible with the victims and Liverpool fans fully vindicated. Duckenfield was found guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence. Finally his time is going to come in a criminal court. Just a shame that McKenzie and Murdoch will not also be on trial for the years and years of pain and suffering they caused to the families of the victims, Liverpool supporters and people of Liverpool.

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #260 on: January 14, 2017, 10:18:PM »
Sadly there's still a long way to go. The CPS will take 3-6 months minimum deciding whether to bring charges. Then it could easily get dragged out at least another year before trial.

The inquest verdicts last April were incredible with the victims and Liverpool fans fully vindicated. Duckenfield was found guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence. Finally his time is going to come in a criminal court. Just a shame that McKenzie and Murdoch will not also be on trial for the years and years of pain and suffering they caused to the families of the victims, Liverpool supporters and people of Liverpool.

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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hillsborough-police-officers-cant-be-disciplined-as-all-have-retired/ar-AAlQajP?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartanntp
I might have a bet that his legal team will claim he's too emotionally scarred to stand trial. 

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #261 on: January 15, 2017, 02:18:AM »
There is no doubt he will hire the best legal team available and try every trick in the book to escape justice, just like he tried at the inquests.

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #262 on: April 15, 2017, 11:23:AM »
Never forget.

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #263 on: April 15, 2017, 04:03:PM »
Check the tickets in my wallet
Then swig a cup of tea
7.30 in the morning
One game from Wembley

Out the door and on the street
Off to meet the boys
To sing the songs we love to sing
And fill the ground with noise

The coach pulls up and we all pile on
Belly full of butterflies
Then off to sheffield we all go
The FA cup our prize

9.00am and the songs have started
I talk about the game
To a young lad thats sat next to me
I didn't catch his name

The journeys taking hours
And we cross the pennine hills
But my mind drifts off to hillsborough
As I dream of beardsleys skills

"My favourite players Aldo"
Says the boy sat next to me
His eyes full of excitement
And his words are filled with glee

"I'm meeting me mate when I get to the ground"
"He's travelling up by train"
"I'll see you back here on the coach"
"When we've beaten forest again"

The coach pulled up and off he went
Going to meet his friend
I check my ticket once again
THE LEPPINGS LANE END

Its getting near to kick off
And I'm getting close to the ground
But nobody seems to be moving
I'm stuck tight in this crowd

I'm just starting to panic
And a bizzie opens the gate
A red tide moves down the tunnel
Moving closer to thier fate

I remember clearly that tunnel
And the light shone at the end
And as I think back to that fatefull day
I still cant comprehend

That the coppers called us vandals
And drunken loutish liars
And the media fed us spite and hate
When compassion was required

But back to that day and the things I saw
Unfold before my eyes
The sight of grown men screaming
And the air was full of cries

But I was one of the lucky ones
Because I came home alive
I watched heroes in scarves on the pitch
Trying helplessly to revive-
Their friends their family and strangers
Who'd all come to watch a game
But their lives were crushed that fatefull day
On a terrace called Leppings Lane

The memories still haunt me
Every time I go to sleep
But theres one memory that gets me
And always makes me weep

Back on the coach with my head on the glass
I remember my heart it skipped a beat
When I turned to the young lad next to me
And noticed his empty seat

There were 96 empty seats that day
96 friends that we lost
And while Kelvin counted the pennies
The families counted the loss

So next time you're at Anfield
Visit the eternal flame
Feel the stone cold marble
And touch a persons name

And while you say a silent prayer
And your dreams are tossed and blown
Remember those 96 empty seats
That must never walk alone

Justice for the 96

You'll never walk alone


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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #264 on: April 15, 2017, 07:03:PM »
You can never forget a bereavement, and something which was preventable only makes it worse. How  criminal to lock people in metal cages it seems today, yet that is what pertained in the 1980s.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 02:25:AM by Steve_uk »


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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #266 on: April 16, 2017, 10:59:AM »
Check the tickets in my wallet
Then swig a cup of tea
7.30 in the morning
One game from Wembley

Out the door and on the street
Off to meet the boys
To sing the songs we love to sing
And fill the ground with noise

The coach pulls up and we all pile on
Belly full of butterflies
Then off to sheffield we all go
The FA cup our prize

9.00am and the songs have started
I talk about the game
To a young lad thats sat next to me
I didn't catch his name

The journeys taking hours
And we cross the pennine hills
But my mind drifts off to hillsborough
As I dream of beardsleys skills

"My favourite players Aldo"
Says the boy sat next to me
His eyes full of excitement
And his words are filled with glee

"I'm meeting me mate when I get to the ground"
"He's travelling up by train"
"I'll see you back here on the coach"
"When we've beaten forest again"

The coach pulled up and off he went
Going to meet his friend
I check my ticket once again
THE LEPPINGS LANE END

Its getting near to kick off
And I'm getting close to the ground
But nobody seems to be moving
I'm stuck tight in this crowd

I'm just starting to panic
And a bizzie opens the gate
A red tide moves down the tunnel
Moving closer to thier fate

I remember clearly that tunnel
And the light shone at the end
And as I think back to that fatefull day
I still cant comprehend

That the coppers called us vandals
And drunken loutish liars
And the media fed us spite and hate
When compassion was required

But back to that day and the things I saw
Unfold before my eyes
The sight of grown men screaming
And the air was full of cries

But I was one of the lucky ones
Because I came home alive
I watched heroes in scarves on the pitch
Trying helplessly to revive-
Their friends their family and strangers
Who'd all come to watch a game
But their lives were crushed that fatefull day
On a terrace called Leppings Lane

The memories still haunt me
Every time I go to sleep
But theres one memory that gets me
And always makes me weep

Back on the coach with my head on the glass
I remember my heart it skipped a beat
When I turned to the young lad next to me
And noticed his empty seat

There were 96 empty seats that day
96 friends that we lost
And while Kelvin counted the pennies
The families counted the loss

So next time you're at Anfield
Visit the eternal flame
Feel the stone cold marble
And touch a persons name

And while you say a silent prayer
And your dreams are tossed and blown
Remember those 96 empty seats
That must never walk alone

Justice for the 96

You'll never walk alone

Very poignant. 
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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #267 on: May 11, 2017, 10:40:AM »
I had always wondered why at the Hillsborough tragedy that, the lesser supported Nottingham Forest, were allocated the larger end of the ground than Liverpool.

http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/docs/HWP000000880001.pdf

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We refute the specific content of the "opinion” of Mr. Clough as
being fundamentally flawed and inaccurate particularly given the
clearly established transportation problems faced by Liverpool
supporters on the day, and also given that only approximately one
third of the number of turnstiles allocated for Nottingham Forest
fans were made available for the access into the Stadium of a
similar number of Liverpool supporters;

We demand that in the light of the above, the fact that Mr. Clough
was not either a personal participant in or witness to events
outside or inside the Leppings Lane Terrace and in noting his
longstanding commercial allegiance to the "Sun" newspaper Mr.
Clough either state the factual evidence he has gathered to
support his "opinion" and reveal the source of this evidence or he
retract his comments forthwith and apologises to the bereaved
families and survivors of Hillsborough and to all football
supporters for the offence he has caused.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1343886-liverpool-supporters-can-never-forgive-brian-clough-over-hillsborough-slur
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in Clough’s eponymous 1994 memoir: “I will always remain convinced that those Liverpool fans who died were killed by Liverpool people.”
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“They were drunk. They killed their own,” Clough maintained, cold as ice. How hypocritical was that given what we knew, and know, of his struggle with alcoholism?; an addiction that precipitated his passing at the age of 69.

Could Clough's comments above be an attempt by him to cover up why The Forest fans were given preferential treatment in the ticket allocation. Maybe this is what kick started his drinking problem.

According to the video below Clough appeared to have a history of pressuring people at Nottingham Forest to make available to him, thousands of tickets for big Cup Games, which would find their way into the hands of ticket touts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZYUH2u-uqQ



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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #268 on: June 27, 2017, 10:04:PM »
Looks more than likely charges will be made.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/hillsborough-families-learn-anyone-will-face-charges-tragedy/

My friend David was head groundsman on the day of the tragedy, he's in his seventies now, it broke him and he had to finish.
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Envy kills,” the Pope said. “It does not tolerate others having something that I do not have. And it always suffers, because the heart of an envious or jealous person suffers. It is a suffering heart!” It is a suffering that desires “the death of others

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Re: HILLSBOROUGH: The search for the truth
« Reply #269 on: June 28, 2017, 09:00:AM »
This'll be interesting !!

Special thoughts to a very sick man whose relative died in the tragedy. The man in question hasn't got very long to live because of his illness but has shown determination to see this through. Bless him.