OFFICIAL - CCRC DECISION - REFERRAL DENIED

[ngb1066]

Hi mertol22 and ajross - Thank you so much for your most interesting posts. 

I wrote to JB for the first time about six weeks ago to wish him all the best and I am intending to write again this weekend.

It would be interesting to find out from Ngb regarding the information Mike has as he will also know what information JB and his legal team have.  I am unaware how Mike obtained this information although I think it had something to do with when he knew JB in prison.  I wondered whether he was given this for 'safe keeping' and that is why I was questioning some whether some of it may be originals.  If it was a case of for 'safe keeping' and there are originals contained in these documents then Mike should give the entire contents back to JB's legal team.  Who knows the answer to all of this could be contained in these documents and on Mike's own admittance there are many several thousand pieces that he has not even read.  I am in no way undermining the importance of the tests regarding the silencer/no silencer issues but I do still believe that the answers lie elsewhere i.e. documents held under PII and possibly those in the possession of Mike.   

Mike has offered to give Jeremy's legal team full access to the documents he has in his possession.  These documents have only been preserved because Mike agreed to look after them when Jeremy's original solicitors were no longer prepared to retain them in their archive store (this is standard practice for solicitors) and the documents would otherwise have been destroyed.

When this case is referred to the Court of Appeal (as I believe it will be) I am sure that all of these documents will be carefully considered in preparation for the appeal, along with the other documents which the defence team hold.
   

[mertol22]

Mike has offered to give Jeremy's legal team full access to the documents he has in his possession.  These documents have only been preserved because Mike agreed to look after them when Jeremy's original solicitors were no longer prepared to retain them in their archive store (this is standard practice for solicitors) and the documents would otherwise have been destroyed.

When this case is referred to the Court of Appeal (as I believe it will be) I am sure that all of these documents will be carefully considered in preparation for the appeal, along with the other documents which the defence team hold.
   

As much as i want jeremy to be granted such an appeal do you believe there is anything in the documents that mike has are going to help jeremy ? if the image of Sheila on the bed exists and im not saying it does surely the only place for it to be is on the front of a big UK newspaper after all jeremy has been in jail since 1986.

[ngb1066]

As much as i want jeremy to be granted such an appeal do you believe there is anything in the documents that mike has are going to help jeremy ? if the image of Sheila on the bed exists and im not saying it does surely the only place for it to be is on the front of a big UK newspaper after all jeremy has been in jail since 1986.

I agree that if a photograph of Sheila on the bed surfaces it could be very important for the defence. 

There may be material in the documents held by Mike which assists in the preparation of the appeal.

 

[mertol22]

I agree that if a photograph of Sheila on the bed surfaces it could be very important for the defence. 

There may be material in the documents held by Mike which assists in the preparation of the appeal.

The image/ photo would at an instant question the exact sequence of events that day after the storming of the house, it also means the picture of Sheila on the floor is false , no ifs no but s false .

[jon]

Mike has offered to give Jeremy's legal team full access to the documents he has in his possession.  These documents have only been preserved because Mike agreed to look after them when Jeremy's original solicitors were no longer prepared to retain them in their archive store (this is standard practice for solicitors) and the documents would otherwise have been destroyed.

When this case is referred to the Court of Appeal (as I believe it will be) I am sure that all of these documents will be carefully considered in preparation for the appeal, along with the other documents which the defence team hold.
   

May i ask , why are you so confident ?

[ngb1066]

May i ask , why are you so confident ?

I share Simon MacKay's view that the final submissions satisfied the statutory test for referring the case to the Court of Appeal and that the CCRC therefore did not properly exercise their judgement in reaching their final decision.  I believe that the prospects of successfully challenging that the decision are good and that the case will in due course be referred to the Court of Appeal.

[tonyb]

I agree that if a photograph of Sheila on the bed surfaces it could be very important for the defence. 

There may be material in the documents held by Mike which assists in the preparation of the appeal.

"very important for the defence"
What are your views on Mikes withholding this very picture from the defence for however how many years? Maybe he feels he's on the outside of the circle of trust and feels a little in the cold,maybe he's waiting for the defence to come begging. beats me the story of the picture he "aquired" and copied and sent to JB. he's been harping on about this for many months and now he's suddenly got a copy on a hard drive... hope you dont think i'm being to hard but its always annoyed me the way MT drip feeds the bullshit. Mark my words,the lake district visit will rear its head in the next few weeks,just read between the lines of the posts... i for one dispair at times. the important points get lost in the Dross...
Sorry all  rant over

[ngb1066]

"very important for the defence"
What are your views on Mikes withholding this very picture from the defence for however how many years? Maybe he feels he's on the outside of the circle of trust and feels a little in the cold,maybe he's waiting for the defence to come begging. beats me the story of the picture he "aquired" and copied and sent to JB. he's been harping on about this for many months and now he's suddenly got a copy on a hard drive... hope you dont think i'm being to hard but its always annoyed me the way MT drip feeds the bullshit. Mark my words,the lake district visit will rear its head in the next few weeks,just read between the lines of the posts... i for one dispair at times. the important points get lost in the Dross...
Sorry all  rant over

I think we have to wait for Mike to tell us more when he feels able to do so.  I have no more knowledge about this than you have.

[Bridget]

Have you seen the statement of reasons yet NGB?

[tonyb]

I think we have to wait for Mike to tell us more when he feels able to do so.  I have no more knowledge about this than you have.

yeah, with baited breath... i can hardly wait for the next installment 

[Roch]

CCRC therefore did not properly exercise their judgement in reaching their final decision.

Their wording was strong and dismissive.  Something doesn't add up.  These were highly respected experts and detailed reports.  Regarding the blood / DNA in the silencer, if the experts regard the silencer as playing no involvement in the two shots to Sheila, the question of the blood and the DNA in the silencer must surely become a general quandry that all sides need to look at more deeply and cooperatively, as opposed to an anomally for which the answer must come from the defence?

I wonder whether they have seized upon something minor and used it as an excuse to justify undermining the entire McKay submissions.  It's a real shame if this has took place and it does not in my view help to portray the CCRC as credible agents in the process of seeking truth / justice.

 

[ngb1066]

Have you seen the statement of reasons yet NGB?

I have not had the opportunity to read it yet.

[Roch]

I wonder whether they have seized upon something minor and used it as an excuse to justify undermining the entire McKay submissions...

Because the blood / DNA in the silencer could potentially open up a...

[Bridget]

Expert reports, however eminent the expert, are just opinion. Did the report actually say that the marks to Sheila's neck definately could not have been made with a gun with a silencer? Or did it say that in his opinion the marks were consistent with having been made by a gun without a silencer? In the absence of any viable challenge to the blood evidence the CCRC will have just weighed up the opinion against the forensic evidence and the rest, as they say, is history.

[ngb1066]

Expert reports, however eminent the expert, are just opinion. Did the report actually say that the marks to Sheila's neck definately could not have been made with a gun with a silencer? Or did it say that in his opinion the marks were consistent with having been made by a gun without a silencer? In the absence of any viable challenge to the blood evidence the CCRC will have just weighed up the opinion against the forensic evidence and the rest, as they say, is history.

The burn marks could not be replicated using the rifle with the silencer attached.