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I remember Mick Gradwell saying, as he viewed the WHF investigation that it was a shambles---pretty much the same words as he'd viewed the Jersey abuse scandal for which he was more involved in as an SIO at the time. During the WHF murders Gradwell was Deputy Superintendent.

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Video of scene recorded at entries, in MPR - 604, 605, 606 and 628...

So, who took the video footage at the crime scene, and Witham SOC, and or HQ scenes of crime (SOC)?
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So, what is who took the video footage at the crime scene, and Witham SOC, and or HQ scenes of crime (SOC)?

What's the official position of Essex Police on this, Mike?  Do they say it was just a video montage of static images, and has any further disclosure been made about how the montage was produced and put together, and has there been disclosure of the montage itself?

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Crime scene video - taken as part of training exercise - bodies insitu...

Here is a still photograph taken /or recreated later on,  by PC Bird from the crime scene video taken by (Headquarters SOCO) police ( at the crime scene during a one hour period between 9.00am - 10.00 am) as part of a training exercise they performed with the bodies of the victims still insitu /or much later at Chelmsford hospital mortuary, and created by PC Bird as part of the overall matter of cops covering the tracks by falsely claiming that Sheila's body had remained unmoved, untouched and left from 7. 30am, until 10.00am, before PC Bird had the first opportunity to ke any crime scene photographs by himself!

This practice of using a junior officer, to fabricate and produce a dishonest record concerning all the crime scene photographs that were taken (in particular) on the first morning of the investigation, only by PC David Bird, who was/is a damning lie, and which underscores with a very high degree of significance, the 'fairness' of Jeremy Bamber prosecution, his trial and its outcome, the appeal process, and his continued incarceration, simply because Essex police/CPS/trial judge, tricked ordinary members of the public (jury), and Bambers defence team of buying into a faked ( controversial/contentious) script..
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This practice of using a junior officer, to fabricate and produce a dishonest record concerning all the crime scene photographs that were taken (in particular) on the first morning of the investigation, only by PC David Bird, who was/is a damning lie, and which underscores with a very high degree of significance, the 'fairness' of Jeremy Bamber prosecution, his trial and its outcome, the appeal process, and his continued incarceration, simply because Essex police/CPS/trial judge, tricked ordinary members of the public (jury), and Bambers defence team of buying into a faked ( controversial/contentious) script..

Let's get the facts right, PC Bird took crime scene photographs at whf after 10.00am, and that there was 'no potential for anyone' to have taken other crime scene photographs, beforehand!

Yet, a team of headquarters SOCO took a series of crime scene photographs inside the farmhouse, between 9.00pm - 10.00am!

Unfortunately for PC Bird, Essex police and the CPS, some of those crime scene photographs which had been taken by Headquarters SOCO were included by PC Bird in the contents of 'The Master Copy album'  which he created himself, and which were produced at Bambers trial (October 1986), initially, as photographs of which only  he himself could have taken!
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Yet, a team of headquarters SOCO took a series of crime scene photographs inside the farmhouse, between 9.00pm - 10.00am!

Not only that or this, but Headquarters SOCO had been there at the scene, during a one hour period (9.00am - 10.00am), which coincides with the one hour period when senior officers claim to have been conducting 'Informatives' by reference to the position of the five dead bodies, and general items which have been considered to be 'of evidential value', and originally laid here and there in different locations to a body, or two...
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Not only that or this, but Headquarters SOCO had been there at the scene, during a one hour period (9.00am - 10.00am), which coincides with the one hour period when senior officers claim to have been conducting 'Informatives' by reference to the position of the five dead bodies, and general items which have been considered to be 'of evidential value', and originally laid here and there in different locations to a body, or two...

Reconstructing what senior officers at the scene and elsewhere thought had happened ('Informatives'  carried out inside the farmhouse between 9.00am  - 10.00am) included movement of victims bodies in an attempt to  present a crime scene which supported the official view of the senior investigation officers (opinion).. .

They 'restaged the position of bodies' at the scene between 9.00am - 10.00am, used a team from Headquarters scenes of crime (SOCO) to photograph and film the entire transformation from where the bodies of all five victims had been 'there' and 'then' (9.00am), at various points throughout that period until 10.00am, by which stage senior officers were satisfied that the position of victims bodies and key pieces of evidence had been reset to support what police theorised had taken place!

Then, and once the crime scene was handed over to the team of Witham police station SOCO at 10.00am, who (they) photographed the crime scene which had been reset under the authority of senior officers beforehand, and made out that the photographs which had been taken by them showed the positions of the five bodies as though they had 'always been or which had remained insitu', and untouched by anyone - which was basically a deception.. .
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Reconstructing what senior officers at the scene and elsewhere thought had happened ('Informatives'  carried out inside the farmhouse between 9.00am  - 10.00am) included movement of victims bodies in an attempt to  present a crime scene which supported the official view of the senior investigation officers (opinion).. .


'OH, WHAT A TANGLED WEB (of lies and mistruths) WE WEAVE, WHEN WE FIRST PRACTICE TO DECIEVE'
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'OH, WHAT A TANGLED WEB (of lies and mistruths) WE WEAVE, WHEN WE FIRST PRACTICE TO DECIEVE'

Why do the four cassettes upon which the crime scene videos were recorded prior to 1.15pm on the afternoon of 7th August 1985 (or later), haven't got any individual exhibit reference no's?

Video Cassettes of scene - MPR reference 604, 605, 606, and 626/628
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According to this official Essex police document, the four video cassettes (604, 605, 606 and 626/28) taken of the crime scene at whf, were returned to special Branch at Southend and they were all  to be 'destroyed!
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They'd have to destroy everything before they all croak. I'm surprised there's anything but dust left in the archives.

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They'd have to destroy everything before they all croak. I'm surprised there's anything but dust left in the archives.


And as I've time and time again, surely it would make sense to destroy anything incriminating, and SURELY Jeremy's team of whatever they call themselves would have the sense to, at least recoginize it. What a waste of time then, to keep going on about how they need 'stuff' if they suspect there isn't any.

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And as I've time and time again, surely it would make sense to destroy anything incriminating, and SURELY Jeremy's team of whatever they call themselves would have the sense to, at least recoginize it. What a waste of time then, to keep going on about how they need 'stuff' if they suspect there isn't any.




That's just it, wouldn't the team think that everything would be long gone ? Surely common sense would tell you that there was nothing to stop you from burning everything before each appeal, particularly now.
Allegedly, whatever Ainslie sent to CAL was destroyed and he in turn would have told her to do the same.
The reason no more documents/files/photo's aren't forthcoming is that there aren't any, they'll all be burned but EP aren't likely to say that are they ?

They wouldn't have been destroyed if they all pointed to guilt that's for sure. The legal team at the back of JB have been working blind, so they have my greatest respect as lawyers working under those conditions.

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What's the official position of Essex Police on this, Mike?  Do they say it was just a video montage of static images, and has any further disclosure been made about how the montage was produced and put together, and has there been disclosure of the montage itself?

Hi QCC,

Essex police have made no comment regarding any of the four cassette tapes (604, 605, 606, and 626/28). But, documentation exists to show that at a debriefing, held at Witham (Masonic Lodge) on the evening 7th August 1985, a senior officer told all the firearm officers who had been present at White House farm earlier in the day, that they should make up their pocketbook entries  and statements by reference to (images) a crime scene video taken by PC Bird (Witham SOCO)!

Yet, according to 'Witham SOCO', no-one took a crime scene video at whf, and when you take into account, the reference to the numbered crime scene videos (604, 605, 606 and 626/28?). It becomes clear that three separate crime scene videos (604, 605 and 606),  were taken, long before reference to cassette 626/28?

Linked to this, is the fact that PC Bird was only instructed to put together a photographic record (THE MASTER COPY ALBUM) which turned out to contain 223 images, after Jeremy Bambers first arrest at the beginning of September 1985, albeit he was present at the scene, and he took crime scene photographs there between 10.00am - 1.15pm, on 7th August 1985.

PC Bird himself, nor any other member of Witham SOC who performed duties at White House farm on that first morning of the police investigation  refer to PC Bird  or anyone of them taking video footage of the crime scene! There is no disclosed documentation the Witham SOC took video footage, only that PC Bird took all the photographs that were taken by Witham SOCO at the scene, which were referred to as many of those forming of 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM'...

Involvement of and by Headquarters SOCO, at the scene was pushed to one side, as though they had never been there at all...

But..

It has since transpired, that a further 358 photographs had been taken at the scene, and elsewhere, which became part of another photographic album  called, 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', which contained no less than a total of 581 images, including all the other 223 photographs of 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM'...

Two photograph albums, then (a) 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM' (581 images), and (b) 'THE MASTOR COPY ALBUM' (223 images). It seems almost inevitable that album (a) consisting of 581 images, included approximately 358 photographs taken by (1) Headquarters SOCO, and approximately 223 photographs taken by (2) Witham SOCO...

And..

That album (b) consisting of 223 images was intended to only contain photographs taken by (2) Witham SOCO...

Unfortunately, the task of PC Bird to create 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM', proved too much, and in his haste, he included some images from the crime scene which had been taken by Headquarters SOCO before the Witham SOCO took their own...

The truth regarding this came out during PC Birds evidence in chief and cross examination. For example, he admitted that he had not taken some of the crime scene photographs contained in 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' that was introduced and being relied upon by the prosecution. He admitted that some photographs had been taken by DC OAKEY (Headquarters SOCO)! Some had been taken in the main bedroom, and showed the anshultz rifle in a different position on the body of Sheila Caffell, than photographs taken by PC Bird after 10.00am. In particular, one such photograph shows a view from the middle landing of the main stairs looking through an open door to the parents bedroom, with the rifle leaning up against the inside of the bedroom window! When questioned about this, in cross examination, he conceded that he did not know who had removed that rifle from the body of Sheila Caffell, or who had placed the rifle there against the main bedroom window! However, he did manage to get to say, that he had taken 'that' particular photograph (23), which was taken after he had completed his first period of photographing the main bedroom scene, and he going out of the bedroom to areas in the upstairs landing, bathroom, and top of the main stairs, before returning back into the main bedroom to take more pictures of Sheila Caffells, hands and feet...

(to be continued)...
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Hi QCC,

Essex police have made no comment regarding any of the four cassette tapes (604, 605, 606, and 626/28). But, documentation exists to show that at a debriefing, held at Witham (Masonic Lodge) on the evening 7th August 1985, a senior officer told all the firearm officers who had been present at White House farm earlier in the day, that they should make up their pocketbook entries  and statements by reference to (images) a crime scene video taken by PC Bird (Witham SOCO)!

Yet, according to 'Witham SOCO', no-one took a crime scene video at whf, and when you take into account, the reference to the numbered crime scene videos (604, 605, 606 and 626/28?). It becomes clear that three separate crime scene videos (604, 605 and 606),  were taken, long before reference to cassette 626/28?

Thanks.  I think a crime scene video is likely.  I can understand why Essex Police and the CPS might be coy about it, though, as I'm not sure I would want it floating around the worldwide web for everybody to see; but surely, if it exists, it should be released to Jeremy's defence?

I think there are at least six avenues of inquiry here:

(i). Crime scene video - does it exist, and if it does, where is it and who captured it?
(ii). Crime scene montage- we know it exists, so where is it?  Who produced it and why?
(iii). Production/development methods for (i) and (ii) and surviving materials for forensic examination.
(iv). Presence of other press and media the crime scene.  Who was there?  What was recorded?  Do private libraries/archives exist?
(v). Additional images captured by D.C. Bird that remain undisclosed.  Full extent of police photo album required.  Why have they not been disclosed?
(vi). Any photographs or other media captured by officers/police workers other than D.C. Bird.  Where are these?  Who took them?  Why?  Why have they not been disclosed?