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Offline mike tesko

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I've copy & pasted my own post on to this thread, from the 'Jackie Preece' thread.  Mike do you know how the authorities responded to the submissions under GDS, containing the report referenced above?  I believe there may also have been a letter to the Home Secretary or at least the CCRC. It's on the GDS legal site.

Basically put...

the Italian expert concluded that Sheila had not died any sooner than about two hours prior to the time of this photograph having been taken:-
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I would hate to think what the conclusion might have been if the Italian expert had seen a good copy of the other image showing all that additional blood on Sheila's face and neck?
« Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 03:51:PM by mike tesko »
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The shot under the chin would not have created the opportunity for backspatter to occur, because the bullet (PV/19) would have penetrated into the void of the mouth, up through the roof of the mouth, and into the brain - basically in order for backspatter to occur there needs to be a build up of pressure in the track created by the bullet which forces blood and tissue back out via the entry wound, but in this case it could not possibly have happened because there would not be an opportunity for the build up of pressure required to produce the phenomena, due to any pressure which followed behind the path and trajectory of the bullet (PV/19) dissipatating in side the void of the mouth...

This should have been a significant part of the defence case to try and counter the argument that Sheila's blood got into the silencer at the time she was killed by being shot under the chin...
« Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 04:00:PM by mike tesko »
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The change in quantity of blood on Sheila's face and neck as shown between reference to the two aforementioned pictures needs to be explained by the police and prosecution...

Was this additional blood the result of CPR being applied?

Follow link and click on 'watch the TV advert':-

(1) - http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/life-saving-skills/hands-only-cpr.aspx?gclid=CMC0_pDZhK4CFQELfAodA3t66g
« Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 04:09:PM by mike tesko »
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The change in quantity of blood on Sheila's face and neck as shown between reference to the two aforementioned pictures needs to be explained by the police and prosecution...

It looks smeared.

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You would have to remove the rifle from atop the body in order to apply CPR...
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You would have to remove the rifle from atop the body in order to apply CPR...

If you apply CPR by pressing forcibly upon the chest of the patient there is always going to be a good chance that any blood which may have pooled in the mouth will be forced out and leave blood trails on the face and neck...
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If you apply CPR by pressing forcibly upon the chest of the patient there is always going to be a good chance that any blood which may have pooled in the mouth will be forced out and leave blood trails on the face and neck...

This is precisely what appears to have happened in this case...
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Key point, then...

Who applied CPR, when and why?
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Seems to me, that the timing of the second fatal shot under the chin is the key to fathoming out when police thought about, or applied CPR...

It's all about working out when CPR could have been applied, to produce the additional blood on Sheila's face and neck...
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 would just like to dispel any idea that any member or guest of the forum may have that this picture which shows the additional blood on Sheila's face and neck, was taken at the scene, rather than at the mortuary?

Please be reassured that this still image was taken whilst Sheila's body was in situ at the scene in the bedroom....

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Irrespective of any member or guest thinking this image which shows the additional blood upon Sheila's face or neck, was taken as  photograph, or from video footage, you need to ask yourselves why all this additional blood is shown on Sheila's face and neck - how and under what circumstance did it get there?

More importantly...

what was the delay between the following images having been taken at the scene?
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I have studied the evidence in this case, about when PC Bird (SOC) took crime scene pictures in the bedroom of Sheila, including for the fact that he also took the crucial photograph of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stair which shows the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, and the fact that PC Bird went back to the bedroom to take additional pictures of Sheila in the bedroom, after he took photographs in other areas of the farmhouse?

Is it possible that...

PC Bird took the video footage when he returned to the bedroom on the second occasion when he took pictures of Sheila's feet?
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What members and guests should realize is that PC Bird did take video footage as confirmed by comments made by PS Adams to the COLP investigators (1991), but for some reason PC Bird himself does not mention taking any video footage?

Odd, to say the least...
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I do believe it to be Sheila in the 'still/video' photo - same nightie, same nose, same wounds.  (Even the 'other forum' accept it is Sheila as they explain the blood is due to Sheila being moved.)

However, IMO, the picture with all the blood is how I'd imagine someone would look if they had been shot twice through the neck.

I wonder if she had been cleaned up?  Although Rochy thinks it looks like too good a job, in the original photo we are used to seeing of Sheila on the floor, which shows two wounds and trickles of blood, with pooling of blood under her arm, it looks like there are faint fingermarks on her throat.

I'm trying to work out why there is no rifle in this new picture.   Was it by Sheila's side perhaps?

Both pics show two wounds to the throat.  But which was taken first?  Would a photo be taken just before a video, because to perform CPR, the police must have realised she was just recently shot a second time and they wouldn't have done this with rifle still over her, so how long would she have been in that position?  Seconds?!  It must be the other way round.

In that case, why would they then just produce the photos of Sheila, showing her looking relatively peaceful/clean with rifle across her body (in different positions)?  They must have been taken last and therefore staged.