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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2011, 02:48:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2011, 02:50:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?
Police methods were not as strict back in the 80's as they are now. Nowerdays they'd take the whole house to bits if necessary.

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2011, 05:37:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?
Police methods were not as strict back in the 80's as they are now. Nowerdays they'd take the whole house to bits if necessary.
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I agree, police were able to manipulate evidence at will in those days (1985)...
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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2011, 05:47:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?



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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2011, 06:06:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2011, 06:19:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

He may well have used something.  I surprises me that he didn't reach a gun?

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2011, 06:22:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

He may well have used something.  I surprises me that he didn't reach a gun?

or Sheila as a part of the ritualistic cleansing?

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2011, 06:28:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

He may well have used something.  I surprises me that he didn't reach a gun?

or Sheila as a part of the ritualistic cleansing?

Did this concept become abandoned by the defence or is it still on the table?

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2011, 06:31:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

He may well have used something.  I surprises me that he didn't reach a gun?

or Sheila as a part of the ritualistic cleansing?

Did this concept become abandoned by the defence or is it still on the table?

It was advanced at trial as a possibility and has not been abandoned. 



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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2011, 06:54:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

He may well have used something.  I surprises me that he didn't reach a gun?

or Sheila as a part of the ritualistic cleansing?

Did this concept become abandoned by the defence or is it still on the table?

It was advanced at trial as a possibility and has not been abandoned.

ngb, do you agree there is a common misconception that people are tempted to fall back upon?  'Only Bamber knows what happened'  'Only Bamber knows the truth' etc. 

It seems to me rather that the entire defence campaign, from Jeremy Bamber to Mike Tesko to Ewen Smith, Barry Woods, GDS, to the current team, has all been about a journey trying to painstakingly piece together what happened. 

It becomes incredulous to believe that so varied and so great a number of professionals could allow themselves to be fooled by some arch manipulator, operating from his prison cell.

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2011, 07:14:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

He may well have used something.  I surprises me that he didn't reach a gun?

or Sheila as a part of the ritualistic cleansing?

Did this concept become abandoned by the defence or is it still on the table?

It was advanced at trial as a possibility and has not been abandoned.

ngb, do you agree there is a common misconception that people are tempted to fall back upon?  'Only Bamber knows what happened'  'Only Bamber knows the truth' etc. 

It seems to me rather that the entire defence campaign, from Jeremy Bamber to Mike Tesko to Ewen Smith, Barry Woods, GDS, to the current team, has all been about a journey trying to painstakingly piece together what happened. 

It becomes incredulous to believe that so varied and so great a number of professionals could allow themselves to be fooled by some arch manipulator, operating from his prison cell.
Only Sherlock Woffendin has not been fooled. He is the only one who knows what happened. ::)

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2011, 07:35:PM »
In a typical murder scene obviously the police would not be using cushions etc to soak up blood.,they would surely leave it as is. We know that they were working on the assumption it was a suicide/murder. Do you think this is another example of them not taking any care because they basically didn't think it mattered?

That's a very astute observation.  You would expect the police in this kind of situation, to give an explanation?  Does anyone know of any such explanation from police?  Have they even attempted to blame Jeremy Bamber for using the cushion and items to soak up the blood, as part of his murder spree?
I think it more likely that Ralph used the cussions to fend off his attacker? Only an opinion for what it's worth.

I see your point but if he had used them to try and protect himself it still its unlikely they'd land precisely on the wet blood. I'd say the police put them there. Were those photographs, showing the cushions etc presented at trial?

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Re: If no-one disturbed anything - how did police enter the kitchen?
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2011, 07:39:PM »
Also on the subject of ritualistic cleaning, I don't really know much about this. Would it be done in such a hap-hazard way? I would have thought if Sheila was trying to clean up she'd have been much more obssesive about it - not just used whatever she could find to try and clean up the blood. As i said, i don't really know about it so i may be wide of the mark.