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Offline Patti

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Forensic Evidence
« on: November 18, 2020, 11:46:PM »
Please post the forensic evidence that Jeremy Bamber committed the murders of his family. Evidence only please not hearsay or speculation.

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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2020, 11:51:PM »
I need to know what evidence you have that puts Jeremy Bamber at the scene of the crime. Where you got that evidence and how you evaluate it...

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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2020, 11:52:PM »
If you are going to argue this case put this evidence forward.

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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 08:33:AM »
Talk about red rag to a bull.
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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2020, 08:36:AM »
Sources in capitals.

Disputed/Not disputed is referring to the CT -


1.

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA


2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA


3.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.


4.

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


5.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.


6.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.


7.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.


8.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


9.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


10.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


11.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER, JUDGE.


12.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


13.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA


14.

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


15.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


16.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER.


17.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.


18.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


19.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


20.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


21.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


22.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.


23.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


24.

Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - COA.


25.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


26.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


27.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.


28.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


29.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


30.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


31.

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


32.

Sheila's blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


33.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - COA.


34.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.


35.

Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.


36.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - COA.

37.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE, COA.


38.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.


39.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE, COA.


40.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.


41.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER, COA.


42.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - COA.


43.

No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.


44.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.


45.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - COA.


46.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS, COA.


47.

June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.


48.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME, COA.


49.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.


50.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.


51.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - COA.


52.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COA.


53.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.


54.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.


55.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - COA.


56.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER, COA.


57.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.


58.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - COA.


59.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.


60.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.


61.

Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - COA.


62.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.


63.

Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER


64.

Housekeeper evidence of items around the kitchen sink being moved on massacre night - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK


65.

Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.


66.

Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.


67.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - Not disputed. CRIME SCENE PICTURES, COA.


68.

Dried blood on Sheila - Not Disputed. PATHOLOGIST.


69.

Sheila having to load prior to first shots - Not disputed. COA


70.

Blood in silencer being Sheila's with remote possibility of being a mixture of June and Nevill's. Meaning the silencer was used. Not disputed. COA.


71:

Nevill having the oppportunity to restrain Sheila while fully fit prior to her firing shots. Not disputed. AGREED BY ALL PARTIES.


72:

Only two possible suspects. Only one alive suspect. Impossibility of dead suspect committing the massacre. Disputed. COA.


« Last Edit: November 19, 2020, 08:48:AM by Adam »
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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2020, 06:45:PM »
Adams Comment -

  7 - No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.   

If there were 'no marks' or 'indentations' at all , on Sheila's fingers, check this...

there were marks/indentations on Sheila Caffells right hand which undermine everything you have said about this matter. There is clearly some evidence that her right hand/fingers were  injured, marked, or that these ended up with indentations upon them, as a result of her right hand/ fingers having been in contact with the metal trigger guard of the rifles trigger mechanism!
« Last Edit: November 19, 2020, 07:34:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2020, 07:27:PM »
Perfectly clean---see  ? ;D

Specsavers Adam.

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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2020, 08:07:PM »
Perfectly clean---see  ? ;D

Specsavers Adam.

Point 2 corresponds with the photo.
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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2020, 12:00:AM »
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« Last Edit: November 20, 2020, 12:01:AM by David1819 »

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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2020, 01:43:PM »
Point 2 corresponds with the photo.

2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

pardon?

Forget 'friction mark' on the back of her hand, concentrate on 'the cut', on the inside of the 'right hand', 'forefinger', and 'the distinctive marks' beyond her right hand thumb, which 'were made as a result of her right hand/fingers',  'activating the trigger mechanism of the gun'!

It's as 'clear as day', that by taking into account all of the marks and bloodstains which are visibly present on various parts of her hand, fingers, and the wrist of her right hand, that Sheila, had, and did use the rifle (gun) at some stage during the shooting tragedy of at least one or more of the other four victims!






« Last Edit: November 20, 2020, 01:51:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2020, 09:33:PM »
Please post the forensic evidence that Jeremy Bamber committed the murders of his family. Evidence only please not hearsay or speculation.
I think some of us agreed last time this subject was broached that as Jeremy had lived at the farmhouse in the past and it was his place of work when the tragedy occurred that forensic evidence was meaningless, given that they could have been non-contact crimes in four of the victims.

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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2020, 09:36:PM »
2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

pardon?

Forget 'friction mark' on the back of her hand, concentrate on 'the cut', on the inside of the 'right hand', 'forefinger', and 'the distinctive marks' beyond her right hand thumb, which 'were made as a result of her right hand/fingers',  'activating the trigger mechanism of the gun'!

It's as 'clear as day', that by taking into account all of the marks and bloodstains which are visibly present on various parts of her hand, fingers, and the wrist of her right hand, that Sheila, had, and did use the rifle (gun) at some stage during the shooting tragedy of at least one or more of the other four victims!







But you're forgetting that Sheila was medicated, which made it easy for her brother to place the gun in her hand. That part of the crime would be over in a trice.

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Re: Forensic Evidence
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2020, 07:59:AM »
But you're forgetting that Sheila was medicated, which made it easy for her brother to place the gun in her hand. That part of the crime would be over in a trice.





Steve, the " medication " only consisted of the remains of her previous injection and much would have been absorbed by the food she ate at supper as well as her alleged late night snack. Because this was the only medication which was found in her body meant that she hadn't been taking any other of her prescribed medication which would have kept her calm acting as a counteract to the Haldol.

Instead, the strength of the injection would have been greatly reduced along with its normal dose and  would have left her completely in control of her actions and her thoughts. Sheila had all night to carry out what had been on her mind because she'd happened to have already been there as opposed to Jeremy who would only have had a small window in which to have carried out what had appeared to have been a long night----if he'd been the perpetrator. The timings don't add up.