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How coincidental, that the only lab' records pertaining  to the submission of a silencer, relate to the silencer ('SBJ/1') 22, on 13th August 1985, and ('DRB/1') 23, on 20th September  1985, and none for the submission of silencer 'DB/1' 23, supposedly sent or 'taken' to the same lab' on the 30th August 1985?

I believe that I have grasped the significance of this anomaly, and that the explanation I am about to provide sets out what exactly must have taken place!
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Please, bear with me..
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'Knights Templar', 'Masonic' ('Illuminati') Code - 'Know the truth'?

'Robert Boutflour' took silencer 'DB/1', to the lab' on 30th August 1985 (it was not submitted by Essex police)..
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Ordernarily, members of the public do not take items with/of evidential value  directly to the laboritary. They hand 'it' to the police, who may then decide to get 'it' examined forensically!

The silencer ('DB/1') that got 'taken' to the lab's on the 30th August 1985, 'turned out to be, the silencer inside which blood ground evidence was extracted, potentially linking the shooting of 'Sheila Caffell' to that silencer'...
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Ordernarily, members of the public do not take items with/of evidential value  directly to the laboritary. They hand 'it' to the police, who may then decide to get 'it' examined forensically!

The silencer ('DB/1') that got 'taken' to the lab' on the 30th August 1985, 'turned out to be, the silencer inside which blood group evidence was extracted, potentially linking the shooting of 'Sheila Caffell' to that silencer'...

'ROBERT BOUTFLOUR' took his own silencer to forensics, as confirmed by reference to 'Ann Eatons' handwritten notes..

The only time out of three separate occasions when a silencer was either taken or sent to the lab's which is not supported by official lab's documentation, was the receipt of silencer 'DB/1' (23) at the lab's on 30th August 1985 - which was 'THE SILENCER' inside which blood group activity, 'A', 'EAP BA', 'AK1' and 'HP 2-1', was recovered, and the results of which was sufficient proof that it was blood that was unique to 'Sheila' - but, 'Robert Woodwis Boutflour', had identical blood groups as 'Sheila'...
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Consider the following accounts of 'Ann Eaton' and her dad, 'Robert woodwis Boutflour', concerning the visit by them both to Jeremy's cottage, on the morning of 7th August 1985,  at which point the silencer and telescopic sight belonging to the .22 semi-automatic 'Anshuzt' rifle, was first mentioned - according to Ann Eatons version DC Clark and DS Jones were taking a witness statement from Jeremy, but according to Robert Woodwis Boutflour' only DC Clark was present taking a witness statement from Jeremy :-

In Ann EATONS Witness Statement, she states the following:-

'Ann Eaton'

As a result of information received at about 9.10am on Wednesday 7th August 1985, I went to 9 Head Street, Goldhanger where I saw two plain clothes policemen and Jeremy Bamber discussing the deaths at white house farm and taking a statement regarding the same.

I cannot be precise of when it was said by the police or Jeremy but during the taking of the statement questions were raised about the Silencer and telescopic sites of the gun. Jeremy made replies to the effect that the Silencer and telescopic sights had to be removed from the gun before it could be stored in one of the cupboards

'Robert Woodwis Boutflour'
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On the first morning of the police investigation into these shootings, the following people knew that there existed a silencer, and a telescopic sight belonging to the .22 semiautomatic 'Anshuzt' rifle:-

Jeremy Bamber
DC Clark
DS Jones
Ann Eaton
Robert Woodwis Boutflour

This knowledge would almost certainly have  been extended to others in the link:-

David Boutflour
Peter Eaton
Pamela Boutflour,
DCI Jones
DI Cook
DS Davidson
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On the first morning of the police investigation into these shootings, the following people knew that there existed a silencer, and a telescopic sight belonging to the .22 semiautomatic 'Anshuzt' rifle:-

Jeremy Bamber
DC Clark
DS Jones
Ann Eaton
Robert Woodwis Boutflour

This knowledge would almost certainly have  been extended to others in the link:-

David Boutflour
Peter Eaton
Pamela Boutflour,
DCI Jones
DI Cook
DS Davidson

It should have come as no surprise, therefore, when on 10th August 1985,  David Boutflour found and recovered silencer 'DB/1' from inside the gun cupboard at the scene. Additionally, to Ann Eaton, or Robert Woodwis Boutflour, because they all had the knowledge from as long ago as the morning of 7th August 1985, that (a) there existed a silencer belonging to the rifle, (b) that the silencer and telescopic sight must not have been attached to the rifle when Jeremy had collected it from the gun cupboard on the previous evening, (c) that when police took possession of the rifle at the scene, it was not fitted with either its silencer or its telescopic sight, (d) that the silencer and telescopic sight would have been stored in the same gun cupboard when not fitted to the gun..
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On the first morning of the police investigation into these shootings, the following people knew that there existed a silencer, and a telescopic sight belonging to the .22 semiautomatic 'Anshuzt' rifle:-

Jeremy Bamber
DC Clark
DS Jones
Ann Eaton
Robert Woodwis Boutflour

This knowledge would almost certainly have  been extended to others in the link:-

David Boutflour
Peter Eaton
Pamela Boutflour,
DCI Jones
DI Cook
DS Davidson

How come A. Pargeter is not on that list?

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How come A. Pargeter is not on that list?

You stole my thunder!

He wasn't in the circle of those who knew within a matter of hours that police had taken an interest in his silencer 'SBJ/1' on the first morning of the police investigation (7th August 1985). He only came into the equation once Essex police had handed the farmhouse keys over to Ann Eaton on the evening of 9th August 1985, and the search back at the scene on the following day (10th August 1985), when it was realised that police had possession of his silencer, and not the one belonging to the Bamber rifle..

That's why 'Robert Woodwis Boutflour', went to the police on the afternoon of 12th August 1985, to tell the police that his son, 'David Boutflour' had recently found the silencer to the gun used in the shootings..
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So "silencer 'SBJ/1'" was Anthony Pargenter's silencer.  I hadn't realised that.

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So "silencer 'SBJ/1'" was Anthony Pargenter's silencer.  I hadn't realised that.

Yes,  the silencer bearing the exhibit reference 'SBJ/1' which 'DS Jones' took possession of from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation (during his second visit to the scene on that particular morning) almost certainly belonged to 'Anthony Pargeters' .22 (Brno) bolt action rifle.

At some stage, after the keys to the farmhouse were handed over to 'Ann Eaton' on evening 9th August 1985, it became clear to the relatives (including 'Anthony Pargeter', himself) that police had seized the silencer (which originally had the 'SBJ/1' exhibit reference) belonging to the .22 bolt action rifle, and not the .22 semi-automatic rifle.

That silencer was manufactured by Parker Hàle Ltd, in a 1980's version of the product which had a total of 17 internalised baffle plates, compared to the silencer ('DB/1') which belonged to the Bamber .22 semi- automatic rifle that Neville Bamber purchased in late November which was a Parker Hale manufactured in the latest November 1984 style, which only had 15 internalized baffle plates.

All the now available information and material confirms that silencer 'SBJ/1' and 'DRB/1' were infact, one and the same Parker Hale silencer, which had 17 internalised baffle plates and had been manufactured in a 1980's style design

At some stage after 'David Boutflour' found the silencer ('DB/1') 23, which had a November 1984 style design with fewer internal baffle plates, had been recovered on the 10th August 1985, 'Anthony Pargeters' silencer was returned to the relatives by Essex police. This almost certainly took place after 15th August 1985, because that particular silencer ('SBJ/1') was fingerprinted by 'DI Cook' using the 'DUST' technique on that date.

I am fairly sure, that by the 23rd August 1985, when 'DI Cook' fingerprinted a silencer for the second time using the 'FUMES' technique (superglue treatment) that this involved the second silencer ('DB/1') 23, that 'David Boutflour had found in a gun cupboard in a downstairs office, known as 'the den'...

It is also known, that on a date prior to silencer 'DB/1' (23), being received at the Lab', on 30th August 1985,  that silencer 'SBJ/1' had been dismantled by 'Cook' and that the silencer he had dismantled on that occasion (an event which is believed to have taken place on 29th August 1985), was 'SBJ/1' which had 17 baffle plates, and not 'DB/1' which had fewer.

This can be established by counting the total number of 'visible' baffle plates of the silencer 'DI Cook' had dismantled because he took photographs of the dismantled silencer, and it is possible to count 'how many' internal baffle plates that particular silencer had got - it had got 17.
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It is also known, that on a date prior to silencer 'DB/1' (23), being received at the Lab', on 30th August 1985,  that silencer 'SBJ/1' had been dismantled by 'Cook' and that the silencer he had dismantled on that occasion (an event which is believed to have taken place on 29th August 1985), was 'SBJ/1' which had 17 baffle plates, and not 'DB/1' which had fewer.

This can be established by counting the total number of 'visible' baffle plates of the silencer 'DI Cook' had dismantled because he took photographs of the dismantled silencer, and it is possible to count 'how many' internal baffle plates that particular silencer had got - it had got 17.

I will attach photographic images of the silencer which 'DI Cook' dismantled on that occasion!

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Each of those two silencers is totally interchangeable with the other.  If they were both of their respective rifles at the time the police arrived IMO it is impossible to say which silencer was or if it was actually used that night.

How do you resolve that issue?

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Each of those two silencers is totally interchangeable with the other.  If they were both of their respective rifles at the time the police arrived IMO it is impossible to say which silencer was or if it was actually used that night.

How do you resolve that issue?

First things first - one of these silencers was manufactured in Parker Hales design style of 1980, whilst the other was manufactured by them in a November 1984 design style (internally). The former having 17 internalised baffle plates, the latter had fewer..

All the forensic, scientific evidence, confirming there was blood which was unique to Sheila Caffell inside on the baffle plates, and a presence of crushed red paint particles ingrained into the knurled pattern of the silencers metal end cap,  were linked or associated to a silencer containing 17 baffle plates, one flat metal washer, a metal end cap, and its metal outer tubing...

This being the case (overall, and in general), then its 'a nailed on certainty', that the silencer which belonged to the Bamber owned .22 semi-automatic 'Anshuzt' rifle could not possibly have been used in these shootings, since the silencer which Neville Bamber ordered/paid for by himself on 24th November 1984, did not have 17 baffle plates,  it had got 'far fewer..

Both silencers have an inverted universal thread which would allow them to be screwed onto either of the two .22 rifle barrel. Similarly, the the inverted universal screw thread of both outer metal tubing's would accommodate either of the metal end caps because the external thread of each end cap is Universal. Additionally, the single flat metal washer of both, would be interchangeable.

The only physical restriction which could not be successfully transferable (internally) between both silencers, was all of the internal baffle plates from the 17 baffled version of the silencer, with the baffle plates of the other silencer which has fewer baffle plates, other than to say, that the silencer with fewer baffle plates could be completely exchanged so that it did not contain a mixture of baffle plates from either silencer, but the other silencer (the one with 17 internalised baffle plates, would inevitably end up with a mixture of baffle plates from both)..

Evidence exists, to show the the internal universal thread of one of these two silencers was found to have blood in it, whereas the other inverted universal screw thread of its outer casing, did not..

It should be worth noting, that according to the scientific evidence, that the external universal thread on the end of the Bamber owned .22 semi-automatic 'Anshuzt' rifle was blood free. This becomes significant because according to scientific analysis, blood was found to be present on the first 7-8 baffle plates closest to the exit aperture on its end cap, with a huge gap consisting of a further 9-10 uncontaminated baffle plates..

How could blood be present in the internal screw thread at one end of that silencer with such a huge gap before blood is present on the last 8-7 baffle plates, unless another gun which had got blood embedded into the external thread on the end of a guns barrel was used in the shootings?




to be continued

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