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Offline Adam

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Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« on: September 07, 2020, 03:39:PM »
It was 2am.

Everyone else was in bed when shot.

She would have been asleep.

The level of Haloperiodal she was on, had sedative effects. 

She was behind a closed door.

Bamber's upstairs shots with silencer would have been impossible to hear. Even if awake.

Impossible for Bamber's upstairs shots with silencer to wake Sheila.

The twins & June were shot & killed/negated while they slept.

Nevill ran straight downstairs,  bare footed which would have been quieter.

The kitchen fight was downstairs.

Nevill, June, Daniel & Nicholas did not have the opportunity to wake Sheila.

She had no injuries suggesting she had been in a struggle. 

If she had woken & got up, Bamber would have shot her where he found her.

There was no blood on Sheila's feet or hands suggesting she had walked up to June.

If she had woken & decided to walk around WHF, she would have put on footwear or a dressing gown. Or both.

If the kitchen fight had woken her & motivated her enough to get up, she would have gone to where the noise was - downstairs.

Bamber had no injuries although unlikely an awake Sheila could inflict any.

If awake & aware what was happening, she would have stayed in the twins bedroom. And been shot there.

There is no upstairs upturned bedroom furniture suggesting a struggle with an awake Sheila.

Bamber's first shot was in the perfect location suggesting zero resistance.

If she did wake in bed during the kitchen fight,  there is no guarantee she would get out of bed. She would have just heard feint downstairs noises.

It may have been impossible tl hear the kitchen fight from Sheila's location.

Julie's WS says Bamber told her Sheila was shot last. This would not be the case if she was resisting half way through.


« Last Edit: September 07, 2020, 03:58:PM by Adam »
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2020, 03:51:PM »
Obviously if Sheila had woken, it would have made no difference to the outcome.
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2020, 04:05:PM »
How did her bloodstained underwear end up in the kitchen downstairs while she was found upstairs with no underwear on?

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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2020, 04:14:PM »
How did her bloodstained underwear end up in the kitchen downstairs while she was found upstairs with no underwear on?

She took them off before she went to bed.
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2020, 04:27:PM »
Bit of a strange question from David.

Sheila won't want to go to bed in period blood stained underwear. Either Sheila or June put them in soak.

Sheila isn't going to have a shower after committing the massacre. Then put her underwear in a bucket of water.

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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2020, 04:30:PM »
It was 2am.

Thanks Jeremy.  I didn't know you were on the Forum.

Everyone else was in bed when shot.

Thanks Adam.  I didn't know Nevill was shot without leaving any blood in the bed.  I wonder why Jeremy didn't just kill him?

The level of Haloperiodal she was on, had sedative effects.

Source? 

Nevill ran straight downstairs,  bare footed which would have been quieter.

Why didn't you say before?  I thought Nevill wore clogs to bed, like a Dutchman.  Thanks Adam.

The kitchen fight was downstairs.

The kitchen was downstairs.  I didn't know that.  Thanks Adam.

There was no blood on Sheila's feet or hands suggesting she had walked up to June.

Not true.

If she had woken & decided to walk around WHF, she would have put on footwear or a dressing gown. Or both.

What if she washed and changed?

If the kitchen fight had woken her & motivated her enough to get up, she would have gone to where the noise was - downstairs.

What if she found June injured?

Bamber had no injuries although unlikely an awake Sheila could inflict any.

Why?


If she did wake in bed during the kitchen fight,  there is no guarantee she would get out of bed. She would have just heard feint downstairs noises.

When do you think she woke?

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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2020, 04:30:PM »
How did her bloodstained underwear end up in the kitchen downstairs while she was found upstairs with no underwear on?

Do you believe Sheila would have woken during the massacre?

When?
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2020, 04:31:PM »
Do you believe Sheila would have woken during the massacre?

When?

Shouldn't you be answering that question?

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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2020, 04:33:PM »
Thanks Jeremy.  I didn't know you were on the Forum.

Thanks Adam.  I didn't know Nevill was shot without leaving any blood in the bed.  I wonder why Jeremy didn't just kill him?

Source? 

Why didn't you say before?  I thought Nevill wore clogs to bed, like a Dutchman.  Thanks Adam.

The kitchen was downstairs.  I didn't know that.  Thanks Adam.

Not true.

What if she washed and changed?

What if she found June injured?

Why?

When do you think she woke?

Do you believe Sheila would have woken?

When?
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2020, 04:37:PM »
Shouldn't you be answering that question?

My thread is on why she didn't wake.

David brought up a bucket of water with period blood in for some reason. .

Hopefully he will say when he believes Sheila would have woken. It is a major thing supporters say to apparently make it more difficult for Bamber.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2020, 04:37:PM by Adam »
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2020, 04:39:PM »
In my view Sheila waking mid massacre would not have halted Bamber.

He would not be expecting her to wake. But would have been ready if she she did.

The evidence shows she didn't wake & certainly did not resist.
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2020, 04:40:PM »
My thread is on why she didn't wake.

David brought up a bucket of water with period blood in for some reason. .

Hopefully he will say when he believes Sheila would have woken. It is a major thing supporters say to apparently make it more difficult for Bamber.

For the abundance of clarity, are you therefore maintaining that she never woke up?
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2020, 04:42:PM »
Are you therefore maintaining that she never woke up?

Didn't wake prior to it being her turn to be shot. Which was last.

May have been half awake as Bamber maneuvered her a few feet to her resting place. But not aware what was happening.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2020, 04:44:PM by Adam »
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2020, 04:50:PM »
Didn't wake prior to it being her turn to be shot. Which was last.

May have been half awake as Bamber maneuvered her a few feet to her resting place. But not aware what was happening.

Is it correct that this means you are saying she was in the second bedroom that night?  It sounds like an obvious thing to ask, but posters sometimes speculate that Sheila may have slept in the master bedroom, so I want to check.
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Re: Evidence that Sheila was in bed during the massacre:
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2020, 05:05:PM »
Is it correct that this means you are saying she was in the second bedroom that night?  It sounds like an obvious thing to ask, but posters sometimes speculate that Sheila may have slept in the master bedroom, so I want to check.

Sheila slept alone in her own room.
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