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Re: Thomas Mair and the Killing of Jo Cox, M.P.
« Reply #90 on: August 01, 2020, 12:09:AM »
Are you certain Jimmy Savile was guilty, though?

I think it unlikely he would be guilty of all posthumous allegations. If you are not certain, maybe a thread could be started. There was one on here I think.  It might have been started before revelations came to light. 
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« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2020, 12:13:AM »
I think it unlikely he would be guilty of all posthumous allegations. If you are not certain, maybe a thread could be started. There was one on here I think.  It might have been started before revelations came to light.

Better to start a new thread, if it interests you.  I don't doubt that on occasion he acted in a way that today, in our more politically-correct and prurient times, would be considered inappropriate, but I think the evidence against him on the more serious matters was quite thin.
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« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2020, 12:22:AM »
Can you provide me with a link to your source for accounts of the attack from witnesses?  I can then decide for myself what you mean when you say he was calm and in control of the situation.  It sounds quite subjective to me, whereas if I say that Mair had to be angry about something in order to kill Jo Cox, that sounds less subjective because he would need to be angry.  Murderers do tend to be angry (or something similar, like hateful).  Murderers don't normally act out of a sense of goodwill.

Anger forms part of his motivation, but I do not suggest that he is constantly angry all the time to everybody he meets.  I was angry the other day with the electricity company, but I don't necessarily scream and shout down the phone at them.  Anger does not necessarily manifest in being out of control.  An angry person can be manifestly calm and in control.  Being angry does not necessarily mean he would not be calm at the point he executes his plan. 

I can only think the boring Anglo-Saxon idea of proving things and presumption of innocence, and that tedious thing of having a fair trial, is beneath Richard Hall.

Hall reads from witness statements in the E from B videos.  The Anglo Saxon idea has been abused for centuries.  There was no genuine presumption of innocence for Mair. He was set up to take the fall either willingly or unwillingly, either before or after the fact, either paid or unpaid.  You can make a mock up of virtually anything. Making a mock up trial is as doable as throwing a boxing match.

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« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2020, 12:31:AM »
Hall reads from witness statements in the E from B videos.  The Anglo Saxon idea has been abused for centuries.  There was no genuine presumption of innocence for Mair. He was set up to take the fall either willingly or unwillingly, either before or after the fact, either paid or unpaid.  You can make a mock up of virtually anything. Making a mock up trial is as doable as throwing a boxing match.

Does Richard Hall publish these statements or any primary documents?  The problem is that a lot depends on interpretation, and it seems to me that's especially the case with Mr Hall who likes to sex things up, if I may put it that way.  He does it for entertainment purposes.  You have to understand what he is really up to and why before you go down this road of taking his ideas seriously.  He isn't meant to be taken seriously.  That's not the idea.  His motivation is to earn money by providing an entertainment service.  Some people watch rugby league on the TV.  Some people watch porn.  Some people watch Richard Hall videos.

I appreciate that the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition is less-than-perfect in practice, but it is a noble idea and my point stands: the system is, at least in the formal sense, based on the presumption of innocence, contested trials and tested evidence.  Anything else I can't take seriously, especially some geezer on YouTube coming up with wild and contradictory theories.  It's always a red flag when you get somebody who jumps off the deep end.  Instead of saying: 'Oh, it might be a case of mistaken identity', we have the allegation that Jo Cox is still alive.

However, I've raised a question above about the case: the absence of blood on Thomas Mair's clothes and arms.  That may lead us down useful avenues. 

I also await a reply from Thomas Mair.
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« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2020, 12:40:AM »
Here is an 'unreliable' source re the CGI of Jo Cox's injuries being shown to the jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38027972
 
Note the pathologist is regarded as being at the top of his game.  I think he gets a lot of work thrown his way, in certain situations.

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« Reply #95 on: August 01, 2020, 12:55:AM »
Here is an 'unreliable' source re the CGI of Jo Cox's injuries being shown to the jury.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38027972
 
Note the pathologist is regarded as being at the top of his game.  I think he gets a lot of work thrown his way, in certain situations.

I don't see what the issue is.  Isn't the purpose of the CGI presentation similar to how the jury in the Bamber case will have been given anatomical diagrams showing the location of wounds to victims?  It's just a method for explaining things.

From that same link, I find this:

"Forensic scientist Hilary Parkinson, a DNA profiling and blood pattern analysis expert, told the jury that Mr Mair's and Mrs Cox's DNA were found on the gun and the dagger.

She said "blood spots" from Mrs Cox found on the gun showed that she had been very close to it and she said her findings were consistent with the dagger having been used to stab the Labour MP."


What is your explanation for the blood and DNA evidence?
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« Reply #96 on: August 01, 2020, 01:01:AM »
I don't see what the issue is.  Isn't the purpose of the CGI presentation similar to how the jury in the Bamber case will have been given anatomical diagrams showing the location of wounds to victims?  It's just a method for explaining things.

From that same link, I find this:

"Forensic scientist Hilary Parkinson, a DNA profiling and blood pattern analysis expert, told the jury that Mr Mair's and Mrs Cox's DNA were found on the gun and the dagger.

She said "blood spots" from Mrs Cox found on the gun showed that she had been very close to it and she said her findings were consistent with the dagger having been used to stab the Labour MP."


What is your explanation for the blood and DNA evidence?

The claim is that the CGI was shown instead of crime scene images.  I sincerely don't believe the man in the lighter cap is Mair.  He had the bag which had the gear in it.  The authorities had Mair's bag.  No offence, but I think it's a piece of piss to present that evidence, given these circs.

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Re: Thomas Mair and the Killing of Jo Cox, M.P.
« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2020, 01:10:AM »
The claim is that the CGI was shown instead of crime scene images.  I sincerely don't believe the man in the lighter cap is Mair.  He had the bag which had the gear in it.  The authorities had Mair's bag.  No offence, but I think it's a piece of piss to present that evidence, given these circs.

Are you basing your accusations against the police on evidence or is the accusation just a deus ex machina due to a lack of evidence to support unsupportable suppositions?

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« Reply #98 on: August 01, 2020, 01:21:AM »
Are you basing your accusations against the police on evidence or is the accusation just a deus ex machina due to a lack of evidence to support unsupportable suppositions?

I don't understand what that means.  The people running the operation have clearly used somebody other than Mair, while simultaneously using Mair to take the blame.  A non sham defence could have presented the footage in a similar way to how Hall has, where necessary, frame by frame, to show the instep and limp differences.  However, that was never going to happen.  The bags were swapped. Light cap's bag was switched for Tommy's.

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« Reply #99 on: August 01, 2020, 01:33:AM »
I don't understand what that means.  The people running the operation have clearly used somebody other than Mair, while simultaneously using Mair to take the blame.  A non sham defence could have presented the footage in a similar way to how Hall has, where necessary, frame by frame, to show the instep and limp differences.  However, that was never going to happen.  The bags were swapped. Light cap's bag was switched for Tommy's.

Theories >>> Lack of evidence >>> Deus ex machina (i.e. conspiracy)

I start from the evidence.

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« Reply #100 on: August 01, 2020, 01:40:AM »
Theories >>> Lack of evidence >>> Deus ex machina (i.e. conspiracy)

I start from the evidence.

You have been presented with evidence.  You choose to ignore it.  I cant help that, it's your decision. 

In a thrown boxing match, what is the evidence?  The defeated boxer is supposed to be evidence of who lost. The victorious boxer is supposed to be evidence of who won.

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« Reply #101 on: August 01, 2020, 01:52:AM »
You have been presented with evidence.  You choose to ignore it.  I cant help that, it's your decision. 

In a thrown boxing match, what is the evidence?  The defeated boxer is supposed to be evidence of who lost. The victorious boxer is supposed to be evidence of who won.

I don't dispute that you've presented some evidence.  I do, however, dispute your belief that your conclusions are valid, in view of this evidence.

I think you would have to admit that you have a tendency to jump wildly off the deep end in your conclusions.

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« Reply #102 on: August 05, 2020, 10:23:PM »
I don't dispute that you've presented some evidence.  I do, however, dispute your belief that your conclusions are valid, in view of this evidence.

I think you would have to admit that you have a tendency to jump wildly off the deep end in your conclusions.

I'll get back to this later.. But for now, I enjoyed this little Tommy update, especially about the snaps for mam.

Think the Hogmany link is overdoing it though. But you never know..

https://youtu.be/9P8WWimVoNc

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Re: Thomas Mair and the Killing of Jo Cox, M.P.
« Reply #103 on: August 05, 2020, 10:36:PM »
Ooooooh Craig!  Chase me!

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Re: Thomas Mair and the Killing of Jo Cox, M.P.
« Reply #104 on: August 05, 2020, 11:26:PM »
Ooooooh Craig!  Chase me!

Have the aliens come after you yet?