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Offline gringo

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Re: Summary Of Problems With The Scratch Marks
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2020, 02:18:AM »
I'm wondering if many of you here dismiss Julie's evidence as total fabrication why it was she didn't embellish even more of her cock and bull story as you see it and add the silencer as the icing on the cake?
   Because in Julie's cock and bull story Matthew McDonald carried out the killings.

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Re: Summary Of Problems With The Scratch Marks
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2020, 06:51:AM »
   Because in Julie's cock and bull story Matthew McDonald carried out the killings.
Yes but that doesn't preclude him from having used a silencer.

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Re: Summary Of Problems With The Scratch Marks
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2020, 09:00:PM »
Yes but that doesn't preclude him from having used a silencer.

We don't have a transcript of Julie's evidence, but I can't remember any reference to the silencer in accounts of what she said.  Have I got that right?

It seems to me the silencer was considered inconclusive evidence by the police for quite some time.  Indeed, I may be mistaken here, but I believe that at the point Julie was holed-up at Essex Police HQ, the silencer wasn't considered crucial, and it certainly wasn't central to the investigation at this point. While, personally, I would downplay the significance of Julie's evidence in actually convicting Jeremy, I must acknowledge that her co-operation with the police was the catalyst for Jeremy's arrest and without her, the whole thing might not have gone ahead.

If that's right, then how interesting that mention of the silencer is absent from her evidence. If Jeremy did this, then he returned the silencer to the gun cupboard.  That's our starting point.

That being the case, wouldn't he have told Julie about the difficulties that Matthew Macdonald [actually Jeremy himself] had in killing Sheila and that he had to take the silencer off the gun?

Even if he didn't, wouldn't he have then expressed his fears to Julie about discovery of the silencer by the relatives?  He was telling her everything else.  Was he aware that the silencer had been found? 

Maybe Jeremy decided to leave the detail out of his account to Julie of Macdonald's fictitious escapade, thinking it would definitely incriminating him?

But wait....

Isn't Jeremy supposed to have wiped the silencer clean?  And didn't he leave the silencer in the gun cupboard for that specific reason, so that its absence would not raise suspicion?  Wouldn't disclosing the existence of the silencer to Julie be yet another way of bringing discredit and ridicule on her claims to the police?  Investigators would find a forensically clean silencer (so Jeremy would have assumed), and Julie's claims would be further weakened.

Perhaps others here have thoughts on all this?  It may be that I am awry on some of the facts about who told what to who and what Julie knew and what said.

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Re: Summary Of Problems With The Scratch Marks
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2020, 10:07:PM »
There is no reason for Bamber to mention a silencer to Julie.

He didn't even tell her he was the one who fired the bullets.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2020, 10:25:PM »
There is no reason for Bamber to mention a silencer to Julie.

He didn't even tell her he was the one who fired the bullets.

Well...OK, but he did go into other detailed aspects of it, didn't he.  Actually, the point I'm driving at isn't necessarily pro-defence, I'm just genuinely intrigued by the omission (assuming I do have my facts right and it was omitted from her evidence).

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Re: Summary Of Problems With The Scratch Marks
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2020, 07:51:PM »
You scratch my back, I'll scratch your mantlepiece........