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The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« on: February 13, 2020, 01:00:PM »
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 06:12:PM »
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The description of these lamps are the same as the two lamps ontop of the AGA shelf. You can see them partly in the crime scene photos behind the blue jacket.  ???

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 06:53:PM »
The description of these lamps are the same as the two lamps ontop of the AGA shelf. You can see them partly in the crime scene photos behind the blue jacket.  ???

There was talk locally that light aircraft was dropping parcels of drugs on land belonging to whf, and that these two lamps w ere used at nighttime to help determine an area where the drugs could be dumped from light aircraft!
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 07:20:PM »
Daft question----were they fingerprinted ?

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 07:35:PM »
I was going to say hare coursers .

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 04:05:AM »
At the time of the shooting tragedy at whf, Jeremy and his associates were under surveillance by the drugs squad! This was in connection with international drug smuggling and the fact that Jeremy was growing Opium poppies and Cannabis plants, both in his rear garden at Head Street, Goldhanger, and on farmland belonging to whf,  and it should not be overlooked that the farm had a license to grow Opium poppies, and the fact that low flying aircraft were known to be dumping drug packages on land close to the farmhouse!

Indeed, on the late evening of 6th August 1985, a surveillance aircraft is documented as having been flying in the skies above Goldhanger and whf..

Jeremy Bamber and his gang of drug dealing / smugglers had already been under scrutiny by the drugs squad and customs for almost a month prior to the shootings at the farmhouse. On the evening of Tuesday the 6th August 1985, a covert team of drug squad officers followed Jeremy's Vauxhall astra GTE home from work at whf to his cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger. The problem the police had once Jeremy returned to Head Street, was that drug squad officers who were parked up outside in and around the neighbourhood, focussed primarily on the position of his astra, and they missed Jeremy's departure at around midnight, when he returned to the farmhouse on foot..

Upon arrival, he was met by the South African farm murder suspect, Ralph Neville...
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2020, 07:52:AM »
At the time of the shooting tragedy at whf, Jeremy and his associates were under surveillance by the drugs squad! This was in connection with international drug smuggling and the fact that Jeremy was growing Opium poppies and Cannabis plants, both in his rear garden at Head Street, Goldhanger, and on farmland belonging to whf,  and it should not be overlooked that the farm had a license to grow Opium poppies, and the fact that low flying aircraft were known to be dumping drug packages on land close to the farmhouse!

Indeed, on the late evening of 6th August 1985, a surveillance aircraft is documented as having been flying in the skies above Goldhanger and whf..

Jeremy Bamber and his gang of drug dealing / smugglers had already been under scrutiny by the drugs squad and customs for almost a month prior to the shootings at the farmhouse. On the evening of Tuesday the 6th August 1985, a covert team of drug squad officers followed Jeremy's Vauxhall astra GTE home from work at whf to his cottage at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger. The problem the police had once Jeremy returned to Head Street, was that drug squad officers who were parked up outside in and around the neighbourhood, focussed primarily on the position of his astra, and they missed Jeremy's departure at around midnight, when he returned to the farmhouse on foot..

Upon arrival, he was met by the South African farm murder suspect, Ralph Neville...

Ralph Neville was ’the scruffy looking hunched up man, seen walking away from the farmhouse' at about 4.50am mentioned in a newspaper Report about the shooting incidents. He returned to Osea Road Camp Site in one of the farm tractors he had left parked up in a nearby field (after the shootings). He returned to whf the later that same morning at around 8.00 am  in the farm tractor on the pretense that he was turning up for work, only for him to be met by police at the junction where Pages Lane meets the Tollsbury Road. Soon afterwards, and having parked up the tractor in a nearby field Ralph Neville hitchhiked to the nearest port intent on fleeing the country...
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2020, 08:26:AM »
Ralph Neville had fled South Africa in the wake of the white South African farm families massacres ( many of which were carried out and executed in similar fashion similar to what happened at whf). Just like he fled the UK after the whf slaughter, he had previously left South Africa after 'the slaughterings of white South African farmers and their families'! At the time of the 'slaughter of three generations of the Bamber family' at whf, Ralph Neville was wanted by South African Police for questioning about his possible involvement in the white South African farm slaughters. He was a registered firearms dealer, and firearm marksmen ( Jeremy told me all about this when we were both in custody at HMP Full Sutton, during conversions we had about the shooting dead of four members of his family - these conversations were automatically recorded by prison authorities in the known to me 'natural way that all conversations which took place in that high security prison', at that time..

Sheila Caffell did not anticipate the involvement of Ralph Neville in the whf matters, Jeremy Bamber was her only ('known to her') conspirator...

But Ralph Neville was the supposed mercenary / hitman that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about soon after the tragedy! He had misleadingly told  his then girlfriend Julie that the name of the mercenary who shot and killed everyone was 'Mathew MacDonald', who had a local reputation for having been a mercenary in years gone by. But this was a deception on Jeremy's part to reflect attention from the role played out in the shootings...

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2020, 08:40:AM »
Ralph Neville had fled South Africa in the wake of the white South African farm families massacres ( many of which were carried out and executed in similar fashion similar to what happened at whf). Just like he fled the UK after the whf slaughter, he had previously left South Africa after 'the slaughterings of white South African farmers and their families'! At the time of the 'slaughter of three generations of the Bamber family' at whf, Ralph Neville was wanted by South African Police for questioning about his possible involvement in the white South African farm slaughters. He was a registered firearms dealer, and firearm marksmen ( Jeremy told me all about this when we were both in custody at HMP Full Sutton, during conversions we had about the shooting dead of four members of his family - these conversations were automatically recorded by prison authorities in the known to me 'natural way that all conversations which took place in that high security prison', at that time..

Sheila Caffell did not anticipate the involvement of Ralph Neville in the whf matters, Jeremy Bamber was her only ('known to her') conspirator...

But Ralph Neville was the supposed mercenary / hitman that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about soon after the tragedy! He had misleadingly told  his then girlfriend Julie that the name of the mercenary who shot and killed everyone was 'Mathew MacDonald', who had a local reputation for having been a mercenary in years gone by. But this was a deception on Jeremy's part to reflect attention from the role played out in the shootings...

See 'You Tube' Documentary, about the case ('status Quo')during the period of the 'white South African Farm murders' at the following link:-

(1) - https://youtu.be/JU4m8hkf-O0
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2020, 09:44:AM »
The trouble here is that the nephew who'd been staying at WHF during his drug habit ( Roland Pargetter ) and who was allegedly being weaned off drugs was later dismissed by Nevill for smoking weed ?
Isn't this one thing laughing at another if Nevill had known of this " drop ?".

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2020, 04:05:PM »
At the time Jeremy Bamber received the telephone call from whf he was obviously 'home' in his cottage! Although he claimed it was the voice on the other end of the line, that it was his father (Ralph Neville Bamber who spoke to him), it was in fact 'the voice of Ralph Neville' who was simply getting the 'thumbs up' to confirm that Jeremy was safely back at his home before 'Ralph Neville called the police at 3.26am', pretending to be Ralph Neville Bamber  who told the police that 'my daughter has gone crazy' , and that 'She has got hold of one of my guns' ...

The content of that phone call (3.26am) was 'recorded on police automated recording equipment' and 'still exists as part of the Southend on Sea, investigation' ('Special Branch files'). It was subsequently established by relatives, friends and work colleagues, that 'the person speaking on the other end of the phone who spoke to PC West at 3.26am' , that 'the voice on the recording which purported to be Ralph Neville Bamber', was in fact, 'not him'! Neither was the voice of that recording, the voice of
Jeremy Bamber


By the end of the first week in September 1985, police were satisfied by a reliance on the content of that (3.26am) police recording, and the 'general information provided by the jilted girlfriend' (Julie Mugford ) that Jeremy was behind or involved in the planning, or execution of four of the five murders, and they knew at Headquarter level, that a part from Sheila and Jeremy being behind or involved in such a dastardly plot, that there existed another accomplice, that a third accomplice (without including the role of Julie Mugford) was involved in the plot to murder four members of the family!

However, Mathew MacDonald   was not
 that third accomplice!


But..

Ralph Neville was..


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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2020, 05:51:PM »
Mathew McDonald was not merely exonerated because he had a concrete alibi at the 'time of the massacre' but just as importantly, 'his voice' was 'not the voice' of the individual which 'contacted PC West from the farmhouse at 3.26am', purporting to be 'Ralph Neville Bamber'!
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 05:57:PM »
Mathew McDonald was not merely exonerated because he had a concrete alibi at the 'time of the massacre' but just as importantly, 'his voice' was 'not the voice' of the individual which 'contacted PC West from the farmhouse at 3.26am', purporting to be 'Ralph Neville Bamber'!

For what its worth, the individual who made that call (3.26am), was 'none other' than 'Ralph Neville' (the South African white farm slaughter fugitive)...
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2020, 06:05:PM »
It was always somewhat interesting to me, how people (including Jeremy, himself) often referred to Jeremy's father, by the name 'Ralph', and or ' Neville', or as the case, may be, or have been, 'Ralph Neville' / 'Bamber'...
« Last Edit: February 14, 2020, 06:07:PM by mike tesko »
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